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Your ex-wife gets in touch with you after years of silence… but what does she really want?

Phase 3 of Starter Marriage arriving November 30!

this makes me very happy

There's really no way to make a faithful run on this adventure, is there??

Define "faithful" in this context.

Re-ran through Phases 1 and 2 in anticipation (and to get lined up with what I think is the most mc-heavy option)...

Somebody ought to assemble a summary of how choices affect outcomes. I ran through part one probably three times before discovering the protagonist could already have an ongoing affair he's keeping secret from his wife, if you pick the right dialog options.

If you mean is it possible to get to an ending not having had sex with anyone besides Allison, yes, that is a possible outcome.

Love this concept! <3 Bumping Jwik01's suggestion for flowcharting. Don't get me wrong, this beats the HELL out of Pillars of Pentegarn. ^_^ That being said, I did "Dog-Ear" those pages so I could avoid starting from WAY back... Don't need anything fancy like a Genshin Impact Hangout Event, maybe just add an HTML/JScript button to go up & back one nested choice would be a real benefit. ;) Other than that...  Thank you, Ma'am, may I have another... chapter.  ;D

P.S. At least hint on how to get down the "Monoganosis" route instead of the multiple "Polyganosis" paths... I'm having a lot of misdirected intercourse here. ;D LOL! *Leaves awkward portmanteaus in place and crawls back under his nerdy weeaboo rock*

The ease with which you can accidentally cheat on Allison depending on what you've said before was a little upsetting as I attempted to not do so. Several attempts where needed before I finally was able to not get a blowjob from Renee as I hadn't asked Allison about being poly. I think no matter what just talking to Annie implies you want sex? I do like to try the many paths available but it is painstakingly slow to do so. Perhaps the coding is more complicated but a back button, ala rewind mechanic, would add a lot of QoL. Im aware there is a "start chapter over" but my suggestion would be 1 choice at a time. I know this was never intended to be a game exactly but it fits the bill of a visual novel which has very game-like appeal. All that said, I was glad to discover that there is in fact a path where neither of you have cheated on each other, and you can just fuck her brains out. An appealing endeavor, to say the least.

If you're looking for a "cheat code" to help better steer you to a particular path, you can right-click a link and select "Inspect" in Chrome. Each option will have a short (usually one-word) descriptor, which can sometimes be helpful when you aren't certain where a particular option might be leading. From what I've gathered so far I don't know how well a flow chart would work, since it appears that there are certain things that have larger down-stream effects (for example, how many times you choose the option to keep fucking Allison at the start of Phase 1 seems to unlock more sex options later down the road).

Not anymore. :-)

Foiled again!

Maybe just something like a list of "achievements" or "have you managed to" stuff, to give a sense of what's possible and what you may have overlooked. Get Allison to agree to a boob job. Receive six blow jobs in three chapters. Acquire a sex slave. Acquire two sex slaves.  Acquire three sex slaves. Convince Allison to commit to a threesome with Lorelei. Watch Allison and Renee have sex. Hypnotize Emma.

I managed at my first attempt to remain faithful to Allison through all three chapters. This largely involved not giving anyone else the impression I'd be interested in having sex with them and not getting involved with my ex-wife. Or, to put it another way, remaining faithful to Allison.

Yeah that would be really helpful and encourage interest in it, I think.

Lorelei's encounter can still force you to have sex with her.

I am entirely in favor of people posting what they've found in this very thread.

Well, a question: has anybody gotten anything re Emma other than either normal-human-being genial coworker stuff, or her rebuffing your clumsy advance? The most I've found is Allison agreeing that it's okay if you fuck her (alongside Renee and/or Lorelai, IIRC).

I haven't, but someone in the thread was saying you could hypnotize her?

Just a few small notes:

• The only unavoidable sex scenes are with Allison. Everyone else, you can (depending on choices) avoid having sex with.
• You cannot mind-control Emma in the current story, but you can get to a point where she expresses some interest in you.

Oh, and one more note: The protagonist isn't you, so he may not have the same range of decisions in a particular situation that you might.

Technically correct. I'll have to look over it again, but while there are obviously paths that don't even have you encounter Lorelei, there are a few that seem to "force" you to have sex with her once you're there. Not all of them, though.

EDIT: And it also looks like there's situations you can get into with Renee where you can't turn down her advances, weirdly *especially* if you're being faithful to Allison.

Is there an interaction that does anything other than ominous foreshadowing with the woman at the end of Chapter 2/beginning of Chapter 3?

You do not meet her in person in this phase.

Fair.

The amount of booleans in this must be, uh, high.

I've found a panel of the dream sequence where you're doing just that...?

I haven't explored the Lorelei interactions as thoroughly but I have noticed that, re Renee.
I thought I had pretty well explored the Emma scene, so I'm surprised to hear there's a route where she presumably responds positively to your come-on. Does the status of your relationship with Lorelei play into it, or maybe some other inobvious variable like which fantasies you implant in Allison?

Are the "dream" girls supposed to be characters we've already met? I think I recognize some; others, not so much.

They seems recognizable as Annie, Allison, and potentially Renee and Lorelei and Emma, to me. There's one panel of two women embracing that seems to be in a slightly different art style and which may be ambiguous as to whether it's Allison and Annie, Allison and Renee, et cetera.

Also I'd thought I'd seen all the panels and then one with Lorelei popped up one runthrough...

Not all.

I didn't think I recognized the bride! She seems nice.

Interesting! I assumed the bride was a flashback to some version of your wedding day with Annie. Though now I remember there's an illustration of that day, with Lorelei in a suit, and I don't know that the bridal dresses match, dang, better replay it for the fiftieth time to check...

After trying out a small fraction of the forty bajillion permutations (Daphne how are you writing all this?), what I've decided to aim for is:

I'm going for maximum transparency and mind control with Allison, full-slave mode with Annie, while opening up opportunities with as many of the women as possible. I think I found a nice sweet spot there in terms of where I ended up. I'm a bit torn between emphasizing Allison as a sex-toy or trancing her into being a maid... but I'm going the former route on main.

I do really appreciate that this isn't a "success/fail" story, but a "here are a bunch of possible outcomes" story. Your "success" is really more about you, the player, figuring out how to maneuver things towards what you, personally, like.

My guess is that the game is secretly tracking a bunch of stats with each of the women (your fidelity, their fidelity, their subbiness towards you, their horniness, their level of MC resistance, etc), which of course change based on your decisions. Some of this is still a bit opaque, but I guess that's the idea. I wouldn't mind eventually getting a "cheat" option to control these more directly, like A Spell For All for those who know that game. Still, the joy is in the discovery.

At the moment, it's just over 11,000 lines of Python, which doesn't count the HTML templates.

I'd express a desire for a more frequent update schedule but now I think it'd be churlish.

Has anyone gotten the "enormous" tier of breast size suggestions to stick?

Yeah, she can get there. I think it's some combination of: she needs to be deeply hypnotized, she needs to feel comfortable with you, and you need to talk about Renee's boobs with all four of you when you're at their place.

Yeah, I didn't discover until the other day that you et different results with entranced Allison at the start depending on how long you spend building to it.  I feel like the whole game/story has only with this chapter reached the level of complexity that makes it fun to mess around with and try different things and see sufficient different results that it seems worthwhile.  (Again let me just say if part four came out in less than twelve months I'd be a happy camper).

I've done that and gotten to "huge," probably some fiddly thing I'm missing. The problem as I see it is it's the "cook naked" and "let me cum in your mouth" options that really kick her libido into overdrive.

Faster release would be swell. It's the most interesting thing on the site atm.

Coding as fast as I can! :-)

By ignoring Annie as much as possible, focusing on Allison and her tits (and sleeping with Lorelei) I got to this: She gives a loud moan, and her hips buck. "Yessss... I will get a boob job. I'll get enormous fake tits...". Also netted me a new final panel in the dream at the end, an image of Lorelei's fantasy.

Although man I have tried a bunch of things and not yet found a way to get Emma to respond positively to making a pass at her. I thought perhaps flirting with Annie at the expense of Allison might have some effect, as it implies that you're somewhat more of a seducer, but near as I can tell, no.

Daphne's gonna make bank in a few years once the last phase is released and she puts a strategy guide up for sale like they used to do for all the old Sierra adventure games.

Her positive reaction is pretty subtle, and involves coffee.

Hmm, maybe I have seen it, then.

Another mystery: whether you're still actively sleeping with Lorelei or you broke it off when started seeing Allison (or some third state I'm unaware of) must get set early on. What controls that?

Does anyone know if it's possible to catch Lorelei in anything other than a "dominant mood" when you do sleep with her?

I figured this out, I think: when Allison asks what that initial text was, you can either respond "nothing important" or "my weird ex." I mostly selected "nothing important" on the grounds that Annie isn't important to you, you're focused on women who didn't break your heart and walk out on you. But I think the story interprets saying "nothing important" as indicating that you're used to censoring the information you give Allison, ostensibly for her own peace of mind, and thus you are someone hiding an affair.

W/r/t Lorelai's moods, I have caught her in a submissive mood more often than dominant. I don't know if it's an actual coin flip, more likely there's something innocuous that is determinative. I might guess the choices in conversation with Emma, but that's just speculation.

Except for a couple of very small things that don't actually influence gameplay, there are no random events; everything is determined by player choices.

Pretty sure this is:

1. Ask her about the "I've forgotten his name" guy
2. Ask her for coffee
3. Say your girlfriend can join you

Yes. I think this is related to telling her that Annie offered to be your slave (if you got that result). You might also need to talk about Allison's subbiness (with the "'my girlfriend is a nymphomaniac' doesn't elicit much sympathy" response in the Lorelai conversation).

Ah ha! That's good to know. But the issue here (I think) is that telling Allison about Annie decreases her trust/subbiness; I don't think you can get the "full MC" outcome if you choose that option. But I guess I'll have to try it...

Daphne, if you're looking for feedback: playing detective about these options is fun, but I think a little more clarity about choices and consequences would be good. (For what it's worth, Part 3 appears to be going this direction anyway.)

There's the saying that everything in a story should either reveal character or advance the plot, and the choices fall into those two categories (more or less). At the start of the story, the choices are almost all about revealing character; by the time you reach the end of "The Butterfly Effect," they're mostly about advancing the plot. There are some choices, of course, that are both.

It remains obscure to me what pointing out the nude woman in the window to Allison, versus not, indicates either way.

I haven't been keeping notes but I know it's possible to get Annie declaring herself your slave via text and still have Allison calling herself your slave, in time for you to text Annie about going to fuck your other slave, at the close of Part 3. I guess it may affect the differences between "sex-slave" and "fuck-doll" and I think I saw a third construction once that seemed equivalent to "fuck-doll."

Speaking of the end of part three, I was gratified to have a path to determining what Allison was saying "if you wish" about to Dante, which is a mystery that's been needling the back of my head since part two came out. In general I give the whole thing seven thumbs-up, hence all my posting here about it. The closest thing to a bumpy part that I've encountered, in playing through it dozens of times, is that you're fairly often left without an option to decline Renee's blowjob even in circumstances that would seem to me to permit it, and the conversation with Renee and Dante where "you begin to feel the conversation getting away from you" (or similar phrasing) sometimes feels like it's got an abrupt topic shift or non sequitur in it. That's literally the only place in the whole body of it where the text doesn't flow well regardless of your choices. The drive home with Allison is full of bits that could have been dicey in that way which are elegantly stitched together into an organic whole.

Yeah, it's subtle enough that I didn't really register it as anything beyond banal work conversation, though on my most recent run through I noticed that Allison seems to flirt with the idea of a threesome when you mention meeting Emma for coffee, in the car, which if I triggered it before I hadn't noticed.

Thank you for the kind words! This was intended to be as surprising to the protag as it was to the player, without saying that it was implemented perfectly.

I get that, yeah. It may be a limitation of the format. When you, and by you I mean me, when you know roughly how the text is assembled out of fragments, it's easy to see a seam and think 'this seam is a (v small) error' rather than 'this seam is as intended,' the latter of which would be my reaction if I encountered it within a more traditional presentation. It makes sense knowing the context (the convo between Dante and Allison that you walk in on).

I think it's a matter of the "dream" sequence. The "woman in the window" is the large-breasted blonde, the "bride." She only shows in the dream if you point the "woman in the window" out to Allison.

Oh... how do "Save" and "Restore" work? I thought they would take me back to an old playthrough after I restarted, but they don't appear to be doing that.

Huh! Even with three parts, the story is still short enough that despite playing through it I don't know how many dozen times looking for variations, I haven't tried saving and restoring at all.

"Save" saves the current state of the game at the time you click it, and "Restore" takes you back to the point you saved. Of course, let me know if they don't appear to be working!

They don't! My use case is: save an ending I really like, so I can go do other playthroughs, mess everything up, but then return to my "good" run. But that doesn't appear to be restoring right now.

(I'm realizing we mostly appear to be talking about confusions and feedback, so I'm just going to use this excuse to say that Starter Marriage is cool and good and a really impressive feat of creativity and engineering.)

Huh! I just tried clicking "save" at an earlier point, then playing for a while and clicking "restore", and it seemed to work. What does it do for you?

And of course, now it's working. If it does something else again, I'll let you know.

Oh snap I just hit a complete ending: no "To Be Continued," just "Fin."

(SPOILER: To get at least this one, do a "good boyfriend" run: no MC, reject Annie, keep the cheating to a minimum.)

Whoa!

Okay, obsessively exploring all the nooks and crannies of this I've found what seems like a small bug/inconsistency/plot hole.

1. Ignore the text
2. Fuck Allison until she has a second orgasm, then masturbate her into agreeing to cook dinner naked.
3. Get a blowjob, tell her about your weird ex. In the morning, after the quickie, visit Allison in the shower.
4. Once you're alone, try to call Annie, then head to work.
5. Whether you tried to call Annie or not, she apologizes for not picking up earlier, which if you didn't try to call her could be interpreted as her being unresponsive to your text. Exchange texts with Annie, playing it noncommittal and low-key hostile and mention you have a girlfriend.
6. Don't call Allison about it, just go to work.
7. Enjoy Allison as a maid, get through the night without mentioning Annie.
8. In the morning, exchange texts with Annie and agree to visit her (I always get her to agree to be my fuck-doll but that's probably unnecessary).
9. If you call Alison at this point you explicitly don't tell her you've agreed to visit Annie, and she has no reason to think a trip is on the table.
10. After you chat with Emma, you then text Allison and thank her for being understanding about your trip, the one you specifically haven't told her about, and she says it's okay with her if you sleep with Annie.

I don't know that getting #10 requires all of 1 to 9 but steps 6 and 7 are the ones where you might tell Allison about the trip, and if you haven't by #10, the game acts like you had that conversation after all.

If there's a way I'm misunderstanding something, I'm happy to accept correction. If it's an error, it could be resolved by making the morning call with Allison in step 9 not optional, and having you tell her about your choice then instead of putting it off.

Thank you for the report! Yes, there was a small change that blocked off some plot; that's been fixed.

Getting back to save/restore, there is a small bug: If you save, then restore, you cannot do "go back to the previous chapter" on the restored game. (Don't ask.) Fix in the works!

Actually I think that was my bug! Thank you!

While I'm at it: when, as you head out to visit Dante and Renee, you have the option of bringing up Lorelei, you bring her up regardless of the option chosen. Is that as intended?

Yes. You bring up Lorelei if you visited her, even if you are not having an affair with her. The choice text is slightly unclear; I'll probably fix that.

Has anybody figured out a way to get Allison's "fantasy" response without your character being into hotwifing/sharing? The former doesn't seem like it should depend on the latter, but I cannot get it otherwise.

Basically: I'm trying to get a "full MC" run without sharing, but cannot for the life of me get that particular scenario to trigger.

Going back through this, I realize now how many options I didn't even realize that I hadn't explored (either because they're not my particular thing, or the choices in the other options seemed like they would have more interesting results). I completely skipped asking Allison to cook dinner naked, and once I selected that I saw a lot of content that I'd never seen before in the previous phases.

I'm not sure a "full MC" playthrough is possible, in that some choices are mutually exclusive.

Does anyone know how to get Allison to mention being a sex slave when she's asleep on night 2? I did it once, I think, and don't remember how to make it happen.

What I mean is a runthrough with Allison's "fantasy" ending. (Technically there are three fantasies, one each for brainwashing/hypnotism/spell... unless there are more I don't know about! But all three are pretty similar.)

To get this with maid at least, you have to:

1. Fuck her all the way right at the beginning of the game
2. Stop and do "that thing she likes"
3. I always pick "cook naked," but for what you want, you might want one of the other options
4. "It's nothing important" for the text
5. Do *not* call or otherwise inform Allison about Annie before she falls asleep

I see that. I seem to remember you could get "sex slave" that early but maybe I'm misremembering.

By "brainwashing/hypnotism/spell" do you mean breast enlargement, serve dinner naked, anal?

This is one of those things that I hadn't realized I hadn't seen (despite spending way way too much time on this game)! But knowing it exists, I was able to find it. What I read, she didn't know or care what the source of the control was, whether it was hypnosis or a microchip in her brain or a spell.

Get her to declare herself your slave by the time you arrive at Dante and Renee's, then when you finger her at the end of chapter three ask her what she's thinking.  I also had Annie declare herself your slave, I dunno if that's necessary.

Okay, so, having gone over every piece of this with I think a pretty fine-toothed comb....putting together all the info you can get out of Allison in the various permutations of the Girlfriend Experience...the story here is that there's an Evil Mind Controller out there, and years ago he targeted Annie, seduced her away from you, made her his sex slave. Then he got bored with her and decided to target Allison. Maybe because the EMC thought you had good taste? He's lost interest in Annie, he's now brainwashing Allison in secret. She doesn't want to commit to a trip on Friday because it would interfere with her brainwashing schedule, or because the EMC is planning to have her leave you this weekend. Speculation: if you do go visit Annie, when you get back Allison is going to be gone. Alternate possibility: the EMC repents of his ill treatment of you in stealing your wife, and has made a project of turning Allison into your personal fuckdoll as a way of making it up to you.  Alternate alternate possibility: the EMC is Dante, somehow, a guess I am making solely because he is the only male character in the game who isn't you and Daphne has a strong respect for story structure.

Edit to add: wait, no, I forgot to take into account how if you push strongly away from engaging with Annie or mind controlling Allison you get an end-of-game message that suggests that Allison's weird behavior blows over and you live some approximation of happily ever after. So unless the theory of the EMC being your secret patron is correct, which I didn't believe, I only threw it in as a joke...

I got that. Will she declare herself your slave without necessitating that you're down to share her with Dante?

I know under the right circumstances you can at least attempt to finger her into not wanting any other man, but on this particular playthrough the options I see are programming her to want to be your maid all the time, to want you to brainwash Annie into being a mindless slave, to tell you her fantasy (slash suppressed memory??), to being horny 24/7 with no downtime or off switch, and a series that goes exhibitionism --> porn --> stripping --> sleeping with whoever you tell her to --> prostitution, that you can jump off at any stage.  I've also seen "enormous/huge/Renee-sized boobs" as an option on other playthroughs. Probably others I can't think of right this second.

What is the response?

I clearly haven’t explored everything because  I haven’t managed to really get to what I’d think of as “full MC” for any character.  I’ve gotten Allison and Annie wanting to role play as fuckdolls/slaves; the special technique in part 1 and part 3 (with success but but no follow through yet on a couple options); and Lorelei and Renee to talk about brainwashing, but that’s about it.

I tend to be transparent with Allison about Annie (whether I’m going or ignoring her) so I wonder if I need to mix that up.

Yes, that's possible.

So, this is fairly subtle, but it is threaded throughout the game what type of mind control is happening. This is referenced in possible conversations with Lorelai, Renee, and Allison (that I am aware of, there may be more).

I am about 99% certain this is determined by how you respond to Annie in your very first text exchange with her. You can tell by the image that appears on your phone.

• Collar -> Brainwashing
• Apron -> Spell
• Alley -> Hypnotism

This will also slightly alter Allison's "fantasy" scenario, to reinforce the style of MC story we're getting (brainwashing = objectification, spell = forced romance, hypnotism = trancey fun times).

Huh, this is nice. I'll look into it.

The trick here is that the facts of what is happening are themselves quite malleable. Like... are you having an affair with Lorelai, or not? That's a fact that will change based on your decisions. As I said below, even the type of MC happening is malleable.

So I don't think there's "one true plot" happening. There's probably a bunch of different possibilities. Remember, you can tell Lorelai that you are the one doing the mind controlling (my preferred route) (this is one of the ways to determine what type of MC is happening).

Hmm, wondering if it's possible to get her to declare herself your slave without cheating on her, either - I keep getting sucked into (lol) a blowjob with Renee that I can't refuse.

Yeah that is one of the more annoying traps in the game. I think your responses to Renee can guide this. But generally speaking, the more transparent you are with Allison, the less you cheat -- and the less Allison is subby. So this is a bit of a balancing act. But yes, it is possible to hit the right target here. I'd try going the "naked dinner" route without telling Allison too terribly much; you might also need to make Annie your slave.

That's so weird.

I agree! It seems pretty backwards. I think what Daphne is going for is that the more Allison knows, the less comfortable she is. Like, if you're constantly talking about your ex, Allison starts feeling insecure, and thus not subby. Or something.

I thought of it as a dominance thing.  If you want a d/s-focused story, you act dominant.  Kurt from Bigger doesn’t ask for approval. If you want a story where the nice guy lucks into fucking everyone because of some subtle control, act like a nice ethical poly guy.

That's a good point. I suppose I was intrigued by Allison's brainwashing "fantasy" lining up with occasional descriptors of her behavior as robotic in a way that didn't seem to be her playing or putting on a show. 

If only the remaining however many chapters were completed now! But alas Daphne has responsibilities beyond this project.

Just going to throw out here: if your D/s dynamic is not established already, then the Dominant 100% does ask for approval. So does the sub for that matter.

Part of the fun of an MC fantasy is you get to skip all that and just be a selfish asshole in a way that you make her like. But in real life, both partners discuss and consent to everything beforehand. You absolutely do ask for approval.

I'm sure you just meant in an MC sense, but for whoever out there needed to hear that, well, now you've heard it.

(This is not the place for this, but: Daphne, my own journey in D/s was sparked by a tweet you sent once. Can't thank you enough for that.)

My goodness! Happy to help. :-) (Do you remember which tweet? I may have it framed.)

Oddly enough, it wasn't actually about D/s! It was something along the lines of: "I've come to view poly as a sexual orientation. It's just very difficult to explain to someone who doesn't feel that way."

For whatever reason, my brain just swapped in "D/s" for "poly," and it was like turning the key in the ignition. Like it suddenly gave me a framework to even think about these feelings that I had. Went to my first munch just a few months later. In a very real way, I'm still there.

Here's another question: how do you get to the state where you can instruct Allison to be faithful to you at the end of part three?  The only time I managed to get that option, I didn't have enough power over her to make the suggestion stick, and I'm not sure what I did to get that option in the first place.

I'll just say it's possible. :-)

This is correct.

It occurs if the game thinks that 1) Allison is interested in Dante, and 2) you are not interested in sharing/hotwifing/poly. I still can't for the life of me figure out what triggers the first condition, but for the second you can:

• Stay faithful to Allison, keep the cheating to a minimum
• Hard set this via Lorelai. Let's discuss Allison -> I think she's cheating -> (Something else here, sorry I forget) -> I'd hate to think of her with another man!

Amazing! It never occurred to me that talking about Allison cheating could serve a strategic purpose

UPDATE: Finally got this!

I'd love to hear how!

Is it possible to get Allison to call you 'Master' in front of Dante and Renee without giving a thumbs-up to Allison and Dante?  (I suspect the answer is no but I'd be happy to be wrong)

I think these two questions are the same thing.

Best I can remember:

• Ignore the text at the start of the game
• Fuck Allison as long as you can
• Stop and do the special thing; I picked cook naked
• Nothing important
• Do NOT text Lorelai on your first chance
• Do NOT call Allison before your second night together
• Make Annie your slave
• Now text Lorelai; I'd hate to see Allison with another man (see my flow in an earlier post for that)
• Do NOT promise Lorelai that you'll bring up your relationship with Allison
• Use your voucher just before you enter Dante and Renee's
• In the car, say you'd order Allison to join Renee
• Roadside blowjob

Let me know if that fails. But I believe that puts Allison to max submission while hard-setting your character to not want to share, or at least giving you the option.

By the way, if none of you have encountered the snake-incubus... Oh man. This game has some weird shit buried in it. I will never unsee that image.

Thanks. Looks like I was making the mistaking of calling Allison too early.


Oh, that Lorelai.

I got her talking about it but I never saw any image of it. Any tips for that?

Are you still forced into letting Renee blow you at that point?

Think of it as a guided tour of my Id, with commentary.

The image of the snake is part of the fantasies roundup dream sequence at the end.

I believe you are forced to accept Renee's blow job in this setup, yes.

Oh absolutely! Solely within the fantasy.  Anything IRL needs to be fully communicated and consented to beforehand. And frankly, I enjoy the ethical poly scenario as well; part of the challenge of this game for me was that I had to play non-transparently to try out some different results.

Huh.  I got her to talk about Allison being taken by an incubus once, but didn’t see the snake incubus.

Thank you for taking us on the tour!  I’m sure it’s a ton of work, but I’ve been here on and off since the very beginning and this may be your magnum opus.  It’s so deep and nuanced and just generally well-done.

One of these days, would it be possible to get a readout of the story we picked or scroll through it at the end? Sometimes I’m so focused on trying to get to a specific result (and not fat finger my choice) that it’s hard to  be fully in the moment.

Just out of curiosity: what run are you trying to do? Full monogamy, full MC?

Monogamy but getting Allison to self-describe as a sex-slave.

Alright I tried running this a few times. I can confirm that you can stay fully monogamous and get the "Let's Talk About Our Relationship" option, which would make her a slave. I can't get her to accept that programming, but that feels like, one degree off from what you're talking about. So it's got to be in there somewhere.

• Nothing important
• Do NOT text Lorelei
• Do NOT call Allison before the second night
• Reject Annie
• Text Lorelei; confirm that you are brainwashing Allison

UPDATED:

• My weird ex
• Do NOT text Lorelei
• Call and talk to Allison about Annie where you can
• Reject Annie
• Text Lorelei; confirm that you are brainwashing Allison

Pretty straight shot from there. There's got to be one decision somewhere that can up her subbiness, like, one degree, just enough to accept that programming.

So I’m trying to run through the story using these steps and I can’t seem to figure out a way to reject Annie. I know I’ve stumbled into before but I can’t seem to repeat it, any tips?

I believe that to tell Annie you aren't going to visit her, and have it stick, you have to have already told Allison you won't. Otherwise you succumb to the temptation of having your ex-wife as a sex slave.  That said, you don't have to reject her and make it stick to get to the ending where Allison accepts that you don't want her sleeping with Dante, "enslaving" Annie works just as well.  (Going this playthrough, I would suggest telling Allison to get a boob job at the start, as it gives a little more action with Renee and causes, I think, Allison to ask for a foursome with both Dante and Renee when you get back, instead of for permission to sleep with Dante.)

New theory/possibility: your incredible addictive sexual prowess is turning Annie into your slave. You did the same thing to Annie, without even noticing, and one day she snapped out of it enough to realize she needed to escape you or else lose her identity entirely. A clean break, cold turkey was necessary because she knew if she saw you she would relapse and beg on her knees to suck your cock.

She later remarried but that relationship has fallen apart because she's never gotten over you. Hence her keeping her collar and not being her newer husband's collared submissive, assuming a timeline where you get those texts. Once her new husband abandoned her she realized the last time she was happy was right before she made the mistake of fleeing you, and so she throws herself at you.

For this timeline to be plausible "hubby #2" would have to be you, and her "cheating creepy ex" a first husband she never told you about, which I think you stretch the timeline enough for that to make sense?

Speculation: the bride who didn't want to mess her makeup was your college girlfriend, the one before Annie, who coincidentally lives in the same apartment complex as Dante and Renee.

I'm trying to get the monogamy result I got before... and I'm having trouble lol. This game hard biases towards poly. Daphne's id indeed.

Alright, try this:

• My weird ex
• Do NOT text Lorelei
• Call and talk to Allison about Annie where you can
• Reject Annie
• Text Lorelei; confirm that you are brainwashing Allison

I like the concept but I think the post was two weeks after she left, though. (Unless the date changes in different scenarios).  Though Daphne is creative enough to find a way to pull them together if she wants to!

Dang, yeah. Really no way to square that circle.

Every time I think I've wrung all the content from this, I find something else. Most recently, a previously-unseen panel of the same woman who is the bride who didn't want to mess up her makeup, being eager for sex in something that might be a dorm room, but not the same panel of the maybe-bride in the dorm room that I've seen before.

How’d you get that? Ive only ever seen the bride through the window leaving Renee’s. The ending pic of the bride is the hottest one to me in the whole game, topping playing the Renee’s tits.

And yeah, I just found the Emma blowjob fantasy after thinking the most you could get was her doing coffee with Allison there.

i have no idea how i got it, but it happened when I was running through options trying to maximize dominance and Allison's libido. I'm pretty sure I've seen three panels of the bride: the bride with cum on her tits, the bride in maybe a dorm room lounging ready for sex, and the bride in what might be a dorm room succumbing to the same magic purple pendant you can fantasize about Emma et al succumbing to.

Oh I haven't seen that third one. I'll have to dig for that. First guess would be: max MC/dominance, minimum domesticity. I'll play around with that tomorrow.

You can get the image of Emma blowing you (and I assume without checking Emma included in the women you talk to Allison about via the following). I don't know how much of this is mandatory, the only choice I've tested against is apron/collar/alley

1) Now is not the time, fuck her to two orgasms, naked dinner, swallowing, nothing important

2) Natalia, call Annie, work
  never, sorry, mean, think (locks in ALLEY. doing COLLAR or APRON here does NOT work)
work, other, cuddle

3) Risk, tempting, tempting, come
text (annie, talk)
wanted, doing, nah, what, coffee, of course


This is the only bit of nontrivial content (ie one line of dialogue being slightly altered) that I have found that is activated or not activated by the choice of Alley, Collar, or Apron. There could easily be more!

Dang, I was wrong about this, misremembering. I'm talking about

-- Panel of bride with cum on tits staring at pendant
-- Panel of what looks like same woman as bride, legs spread in what looks like a dorm room
-- Panel of Renee (who looks a little like the bride) staring at pendant

Oh I've seen that image! Man there's a couple of runs I didn't have to do...  :P

Is it possible to have Allison call you "master" in front of Dante and Renee without Allison also telling them Annie is supposedly now your sex-slave?

Is it possible to receive a blowjob from Renee and tell Allison about it without Allison saying she would rather you had asked her for permission in advance?

Yes to both. (There are more paths to the second than to the first.)

As far as I'm aware:

1. There are a bunch of ways for Annie to not be your slave, so you'd have to make sure Annie doesn't go down that path. You'd then have to get Allison into her slave state by the point of that conversation; generally to max this, you'll want to lie / don't be transparent with her. You could also try using Lorelei to set that you are MCing Allison. Also: you'll want to get, and use, her voucher before you enter Dante and Renee's place.

2. Allison can be very accepting that Renee blew you, yes. I think her poly/sharing stat needs to be pretty high, which is generally set by lying / not being transparent with her. Again, you could probably use Lorelei to nudge these as well, maybe by saying you'd be fine if she cheated on you.

Hmm. Is there a version of Allison more accommodating than this?

That's not really her asking the protagonist for permission in advance, is it?

You're right!  You still have reason to apologize, but then, you are a bit of a cad.

My best guess right this second is there's an option in the dialogue with Lorelei that makes Allison one point more slavish, maybe. I haven't found it, but then, I thought until today that the panel of Emma giving you a blowjob wasn't accessible if you selected the "apron" image of Annie (as I said here (https://forum.mindcontrolcomics.com/index.php?topic=3420.msg27783#msg27783)) but today I made that happen, maybe? I think. I should take better notes.

Another question: after sex with Lorelei, she seems invariably to remind you to tell Allison about your relationship that very night, and you promise. Sometimes this comes after dialogue before the sex wherein she gets you to agree to this, sometimes it comes after dialogue wherein the two of you discuss Allison without your committing to telling her, and sometimes this comes after no dialogue on the topic that I've seen.  Is this a minor error, or, in cases where you have said you'll tell Allison after your trip, or where you haven't talked about it, should the reader assume Lorelei is referencing past conversations on the topic on visits prior to the one that happens in the game?

It's not an error.

Oh, you.

:-)  OK, I'll play fair: There's some ambiguity in what she says after sex, and that can be probably be resolved.

Is it possible to have Allison call herself your slave, not your girlfriend, while blowing you just before you visit Dante and Renee, without her hearing the transcription of Annie's text in which Annie mentions being your sex-slave?

Is it possible to have Allison call herself your girlfriend, not your slave, while blowing you just before you visit Dante and Renee, but then address you as "master" later in conversation with Dante and Renee?

On the second, I think the issue can sometimes be skipped if Dante has propositioned Allison (I can’t remember if it’s the foursome or her asking your permission to sleep with him while you’re out).

Also - there are a lot of gradations in Allison’s response. (She might ask you to ask permission, she might give you the technical virgin speech, she might ask you to tell her after, to send a pic of Renee sucking you  off, or complain you didn’t invite her).

I think the more positive ones usually come up when she is submissive and your relationship is opening.

Anyone have any thoughts as to whether not the options in the opening sexual encounter where you can end it faster have any purpose?

One thing I would have loved to see, though, since there are multiple kink options anyway, is some breeding kink stuff.

I don't think the choices in the opening sex scene serve a purpose in the sense that there's a hidden pathway that unlocks even more MC content than fucking her to two orgasms and then fingering her does, but they do serve a purpose in the sense that you can see how stopping sooner makes Allison less suggestible and highlights her disinterest in anal and breast expansion, which in turn contextualizes your ability to implant those fetishes in her. Plus maybe you just have a more conventional romantic relationship with your significant other! Or maybe you treat her like garbage in favor of your ex wife you never got over.

If you stop to look at the texts, then your character fantasizes about Annie while you're fucking Allison.

We're still early in this story, so my guess is future chapters will show options for favoring Annie over Allison, or vice versa, or neither, or both. And this is helping to set them.

More generally: because we're so early in the story, I don't think it's possible yet to figure out what every decision "does."

More I meant the "Cum early" decisions.

If you do look at Annie's text, but then immediately try to use the "special thing" on Allison, it will not work. You have to go farther into the experience.

I think Allison's sex drive is also affected by the length of your sex, but I'm less sure of that one.

Bug: If you use the blowjob voucher once you're all the way back to your apartment, Allison will still tell you "And don't forget that you still have that voucher" back in bed.

Thanks! Should be fixed now.

Wait, two, yes. Three sex slaves? Didn't get that. Neither did I get to hypnotizing Emma, though not for lack of trying. Were those just examples, or is that content I've not found?

Those were hypothetical examples, sorry to get your hopes up.

This is the best piece of content on the site so far imo

Saw an error here. I think it has something to do with what breast size the mc is interested in - that seems to be erratic despite focusing on that topic up till niw, as in you don't always get the option to suggest "enormous" breasts to Allison when mind controlling her or having the sex slave talk. But that's just me guessing, I dunno what it looks like on the back end.

Edit: image too large, I'll post an imgur link later on.

Another one: unless I am very stupid, I think if you tell Allison that you won't see Annie, but then turn around and text Annie that you actually will see her... that never resolves. Meaning, later in the story, Allison just miraculously knows you're seeing Annie; she becomes aware without you ever informing her.

Thank you both! I'll track it down.

What I'm talking about is section here - the % symbol, the weird gramme in the italicized portion, and more subtely, the fact that the MC barely suggests breast enlargement here when he's been harping on it the whole story. I think that last part was a mistake/not intended, but I don't know what you *did* intend, so ymmv.

(https://i.imgur.com/QRLlIZY.jpg)

I've gotten this to trigger as well, and due to the nature of the game I wasn't  convinced it was a bug.

So far I've found many differing paths, but not taken notes on any of then.

General things that I think I've "solved" so far are the following
- How long you have sex with Allison at the start and the general attention you give to her determines in chapter 4 how high her libido and submissiveness is

- The kink you pick at the end of ch1 determines how far you can push her in ch4. I.e. if you arent talking about a boob job here, she will never get the "enormous" option in ch4 boob jobs, trying anal, being a sex slave to the point of complete dominance etc.

- showing attention of any kind to another female means you are poly? I can't quite recall, but atm any response to Annie I believe triggers a blowjob from Renee as it puts your character into the "poly" state

- getting the voucher requires Allison's libido state to be high but you can do it while avoiding having her cheat on you.

- you cannot currently hypnotize Alli to be both faithful and get enormous breasts. It's one or the other. Possible that this will remain an option and just has to be presented further down the line

- the game, like Daphne herself I presume, is bias to poly relationships and so far the only way to be certain you aren't even a little bit is to shut down any conversations with anyone besides Allison. Otherwise even just 1 text to Annie that isn't flat out refusal is enough to trigger that you have an active relation with Lorelei in secret etc.


It has so much variation that just charting it our felt like a tedious and pointless endeavor and it's better to just "play as you like" than try to solve it without just looking at the code in the backend.

Probably the biggest decision so far is whether you say ex girlfriend or nothing important at the end of ch 1, as this sets Allison into a high trust/low trust flag and determines many choices down the line

That all said... this is by far my favorite thing to come of this site ever and look forward to more.

*ahem*

https://forum.mindcontrolcomics.com/index.php?topic=3428.0

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I was not trying to belittle the work you've already done, but it is incomplete despite your thoroughness. If you're enjoying the incremental chart of every decision possible and the major or minor effects it seems to have more power to ya. More or less stating that it was too much effort for me to bother myself. Maybe another day it will interest me enough to catalog.

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https://forum.mindcontrolcomics.com/index.php?topic=3428.0

Incidentally, I still haven't figured out how to get Allison to declare herself your slave in front of Dante and Renee without having already had Annie text about being your slave. I'd love to hear if anyone has managed this and how.

I didn't until I saw that % symbol.

The mysterious %} has been fixed. The actual text is as intended.

I finally got this; it involves rejecting Annie altogether, at least the way I did it. The trick might be to get an "explicit commitment" out of Annie, and then reject her anyway (harsh!).

Interesting! I've never seen a choice to reject her after she offers explicitly to be your slave, it's just "I'll come. And I will hold you to that" as the only option. Maybe there's a route through the thicket of choices leading up to that...?

(To clarify, not without being insufficiently dominant-or-whatever to provoke Allison calling you "master".)

Oh that's funny. Try "not deciding" with Annie in all the earlier text exchanges.

Ok finally got this.

• Something tells you that you should stop and look
• Sounds like an emergency
• Nothing important; we both have big days
• No, this has to wait; time for breakfast
• Call a friend
• Don't talk to Allison about Annie's texts at all
• Get an explicit commitment out of Annie, then reject her anyway
• Don't flirt with Emma (don't offer coffee)
• Lorelei: talk about Allison, sexual in new ways, nymphomaniac, yes I have, Renee's boobs
• Dante and Renee's: shall we?

And then that should do it. She'll self-identify as a slave in the car, and for the whole sex scene after.

I don't follow. Earlier text exchanges, plural? Are we talking cross-purposes?

You can talk to Allison about Annie's texts after you get back from work, and say "I haven't decided yet." Then when you text Annie before bed, you can say "you're still deciding."

Okay, I've replicated that, but I still can't find any route through the text convo with Annie the next morning that ends with her offering to be on call for sexual service and you rejecting her. Is that what you've seen? If so, what specific choices did you make? Again, what I've found is that anything you say involving "explicit commitment" (necessary to get her to offer to be your slave) leads to agreeing to go to her with no option to refuse (polyamorous horndog that you are).

Hah! I've got it. If you go for full sex with Allison in the opening scene you're too much of a horndog to turn down her slavery offer, but if you beg off and go to sleep you can muster the will to turn her down.  New question: can you get Allison to call you Master in front of Dante and Renee without telling them about Annie being your slave AND still get the blowjob voucher?

This is an interesting comment. Running this again: I can confirm that you can do full sex with Allison, but reject Annie's offer later. I think the actual distinguishing point is: do you visit Allison in the shower or not?

Mmmaybe? Maybe we're using different definitions? I've found that giving Allison two orgasms then telling her to serve dinner naked, telling her nothing important; reminiscing OR skipping to breakfast; calling Lorelei, then calling Annie, then telling Allison after work about the texts, then texting Annie and telling her I haven't decided... this set of choices seems to result in the blowjob voucher but also in cutting off the option of turning Annie down.  Cutting the chapter one sex short means no maid-sex and no blowjob voucher, but enables turning Annie down.

My run is:

• Full sex
• Maid
• Natalia
• Search the Internet (do NOT call Annie or Lorelei)
• Do NOT call Allison
• Talk about the texts; not deciding tonight

No blowjob voucher here, but you can reject and explicit commitment.

There must be something we're doing differently, as following this track gets me the voucher and no option to refuse the explicit commitment.

Hm... I should say my very first choice is "Now is not the time." Also "Nothing important." I'm not sure what else it might be.

No, those are choices I made as well. I also tried taking the three different attitudes to Annie in the chapter two text exchange. If you fawn over her, your "still deciding" text says "I love you," but other than that I didn't see any differences, at least to the point of Annie's offer in chapter three.

Now, Speed, Keep, This, Speed, Stop, Cook, Speaking, I, Nothing, You.

You, Natalia, Time, See, Head, Yeah, The, So, Let, Get, You, Decide, Deciding, Go, You

At this point you get the voucher, and if there's a path through the chapter three text exchange from here that includes the specific commitment but rejects her, I haven't found it.

Well now that's interesting. The part I bolded ("Speaking," which is when you get a blowjob from Allison in the very first sex scene) is the only change from what I did... and you're right, it cuts off the ability to reject her explicit commitment.

Apparently blowjobs mean you're thirstier than if you have actual sex?

Actually thinking about this further: the very first time you use your magic fingers on Allison, if you choose the blowjob fantasy, that does put her on the "full nympho / fuck everybody" path. So the game does seem to be saying that blowjob fantasies = pure horniness.

Well, okay.

So I guess we can be pretty confident in deciding that earning the blowjob voucher and having the capacity to turn down Annie's explicit commitment are mutually exclusive.

That's really frustrating.

Precisely.

Well, it wouldn't be much of a game if your choices didn't have consequences.

It's just weird when the consequences seem... unrelated (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dWjKkF0Zi4).

I dunno, it seems to hang together to me: if you consistently demonstrate that you want women serving you sexually, serving you orally, serving you dinner, to the point that you get Allison to give you the voucher, it makes sense that you aren't the kind of guy who won't take a sex slave when one offers herself to you.

I suppose there might be two different variables at work here, that the choice path we've been talking about gets you just enough Allison Voucher points and also just enough Annie Offer points, and the "speaking of swallowing" option is what puts both counters over the top, such that if you don't go for the chapter one blowjob you don't get either...but there might be another route through that gives you enough Allison Voucher points without giving you so many Annie Offer points. 

See how much engagement Starter Marriage gets you, Daphne?

There is actually an underlying logic to it, although I'll admit I might be the only one in the world who thinks of it that way.

I'm loving every minute of it, I won't lie.

Bug: if you text Lorelei in the bathroom, then when you go to join Allison in the bedroom, she is still clothed, even though the text says she is naked. (Not exactly game-breaking.)

Thank you!

I still think something's up with the variables that govern how big the POV character and Allison are willing to go with her boob job.

Alright, new thing to explore, if anybody wants to join me (or if you already know the answer):

When you fuck Lorelei (and aren't locked into going down on her), you have a choice to finger / get head from / missionary her. I just noticed that for getting head, some runthroughs will have you "ask" her for that, and other runthroughs will have you "tell" her to do that.

I think if you get the "ask" option, you will also later discover her ring in Dante's bathroom; but if you get the "tell" option, you won't.

I think this might get determined by choosing to "get up a little earlier" instead of "sleeping in" at the start of Ch. 2: Memory Lane. It's not this. Currently, I think it's related to Allison having a low libido.

But not sure on all of this. Want to pin this down.

UPDATE

"Now is not the time" immediately into "Stop and do that thing she likes" eventually results in "Tell her" with Lorelei (including after you finger her first). There is no ring at Dante's.

"Now is not the time" and one sex act before you "Stop and do that thing she likes" eventually results in "Tell her" with Lorelei... but if you finger her first, the following option is to "Ask her." There is no ring at Dante's.

"Now is not the time" and two or more sex acts before you "Stop and do that thing she likes" eventually results in "Ask her" with Lorelei (including after you finger her first). There is a ring at Dante's.

Early conclusion is that less sex with Allison (and thus, lower libido for Allison and protagonist) for some reason results in you being more Dominant towards Lorelei, which therefore means she's not having a fling with Dante. That would imply there's no way to "Tell" Lorelei and also get the "fantasy" ending at the end of Ch. 4: The Girlfriend Experience.

I feel like there's a lot going on under the hood here... don't know if I fully understand all of it.

What happened with this? Did it get Murphy's Law'd?

Working away!

Alright, new thing to explore, if anybody wants to join me (or if you already know the answer):

When you fuck Lorelei (and aren't locked into going down on her), you have a choice to finger / get head from / missionary her. I just noticed that for getting head, some runthroughs will have you "ask" her for that, and other runthroughs will have you "tell" her to do that.

I think if you get the "ask" option, you will also later discover her ring in Dante's bathroom; but if you get the "tell" option, you won't.

I think this might get determined by choosing to "get up a little earlier" instead of "sleeping in" at the start of Ch. 2: Memory Lane. It's not this. Currently, I think it's related to Allison having a low libido.

But not sure on all of this. Want to pin this down.

UPDATE

"Now is not the time" immediately into "Stop and do that thing she likes" eventually results in "Tell her" with Lorelei (including after you finger her first). There is no ring at Dante's.

"Now is not the time" and one sex act before you "Stop and do that thing she likes" eventually results in "Tell her" with Lorelei... but if you finger her first, the following option is to "Ask her." There is no ring at Dante's.

"Now is not the time" and two or more sex acts before you "Stop and do that thing she likes" eventually results in "Ask her" with Lorelei (including after you finger her first). There is a ring at Dante's.

Early conclusion is that less sex with Allison (and thus, lower libido for Allison and protagonist) for some reason results in you being more Dominant towards Lorelei, which therefore means she's not having a fling with Dante. That would imply there's no way to "Tell" Lorelei and also get the "fantasy" ending at the end of Ch. 4: The Girlfriend Experience.

I feel like there's a lot going on under the hood here... don't know if I fully understand all of it.

Ok update to the update: this is variable. This might be the first indication I've had that the type of MC (in this case, brainwashing vs spell) actually has gameplay consequences.

In other news! I think I finally figured out how to determine the very last image of Lorelei. If you told her that Allison has been "strangely sexual in new ways," then Lorelei will be concerned, and her final image will be her hugging a red pillow; if you didn't, then she'll be lying back, unconcerned, looking like she just had a good time.

Does anyone know how to get the Renee getting hypnotized dream slides I only got it once trying to replicate

The way I think about this is: you want your/Allison's libido fairly high and you want to focus on Renee while you're talking to Lorelei (this may include talking about cucking). You'll also want to clearly be MCing people (so do "That thing she loves" with Allison).

Let me know if that's enough; if you need more details, I can pin a run down.

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I just hope we get sufficient heads up before the next release, because I'm probably gonna need to request a couple of PTO days to properly focus on exploring it.

Are there multiple different fantasies that Allison can have in the end?

Do you mean the "Tell me" fantasy? Or what are you referring to?

Yes, her “tell me” fantasy. I always get the one where she says some man is reprogramming her to be a slut. I didn’t know if that’s just the default or if there are more potential options

The opening of this fantasy very slightly alters based on the type of MC you are doing (brainwashing, spell, or hypnosis). The rest of the fantasy is always the same.