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« Reply #105 on: January 05, 2025, 10:11:32 pm »

Two questions

1.  How do I get the option to condition Allison to be completely faithful to me?

2.  How do I get Emma to meet me for a coffee date?  (I've been able to trigger imagining her nude and remembering a blow job, but never the date)

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« Reply #106 on: January 05, 2025, 10:48:51 pm »

1.  How do I get the option to condition Allison to be completely faithful to me?

If you mean in Ch. 4: The Girlfriend Experience, that one's a bit tricky. But if you do a little (not a lot) of MC and constantly worry that Allison is cheating on you, that ought to get you there.
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« Reply #107 on: January 05, 2025, 10:51:34 pm »

Two questions

1.  How do I get the option to condition Allison to be completely faithful to me?

2.  How do I get Emma to meet me for a coffee date?  (I've been able to trigger imagining her nude and remembering a blow job, but never the date)

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Ok, so! Hereno has a sequence posted in the Phase 3 discussion, on page 8, which is how I learned how to do it, but, I'll write out my path here, this will accomplish both tasks:

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Now is not the time.

Speed up --> Slow Down --> Just right --> Speed up  --> Stop.

The next two choices seem fairly free for preference, I pick the maid route, so cook and serve dinner naked, followed by speaking of swallowing.

Tell Allison the text is nothing important.

After Allison wakes you up with sex, I choose to go see what's going on in the shower, but I believe this to also be a free preference choice.

Important You have free choice after breakfast to either call Annie or check on the internet as far as I know, but do not contact Lorelei yet.

When talking with Annie I choose the hypnosis route, so being as antagonistic to her as possible aka, You are still pissed --> point out its the guy she left you for --> ask why she is contacting you now.

I haven't tested the next choice, but given how this route is you being as controlling as possible, just saying you will think about it seems the best option.

Do not call Allison, just get back to work.

You can mention the Annie situation to Allison, but if you do, she will be angry when you say she cannot date Dante rather than sad, and the anger seems to be more resistant, thus, I choose to not, and instead cuddle with her.

Talking with Annie again, be as resistant to the idea as possible without outright denying it, so; You still can't believe she is asking after what she did  --> You are listening  --> Inquire what kind of apology  --> Comment how this sounds like more than just paper work  --> Demand explicit commitment  --> double check via "Really?" I chose to select really because the sign off message sounds more controlling when you do, but this may be a preference point.

Now text Lorelei, one thing you want to avoid according to Hereno's guide is committing to telling Allison about you and Lorelei, so I choose Its been a while since we've --> Just want to spend an afternoon together.

Now for Emma, the big thing here is you want to invite her to coffee away from work, and say Allison can come along. I accomplish this by saying you are reminding them you still work there  --> Saying Allison is great and asking about her SO --> You can express sympathy and ask what happened, again, as far as I can tell this is personal preference --> Invite her to coffee --> Confirm Allison will be joining. If you are successful you will have a line saying you aren't sure what Emma meant by the invitation.

Next is the date with Lorelei, I exhaust the dialogue here except for committing to tell Allison about the affair, but the key thing is you need to comment that you suspect Allison to be cheating --> Say how she seems to be pushing you to Annie --> It would be very upsetting if she were with another man.

When you have sex with Lorelei, if you want the option to hypnotize her as well, as far as I can tell you must do all the options for sex, so start with eating her out --> finger her --> ask for a blowjob --> take her.

Use the voucher just before entering Renee and Dante's.

The second step in unlocking Lorelei, go to the bathroom, and then I take the ring because I want it on my person rather than somewhere else, but I do not know if this is mandatory.

When talking with Renee, declare you are hypnotizing Allison as I believe this is the only opportunity in this path to cement that you are skilled at hypnosis.

The after blowjob conversation and pointing out Paula or not seem to be personal preference.

The final key step, tell Allison you are not comfortable with her seeing Dante --> confirm Renee gave you a blowjob --> tell Allison next time you will order her to join --> Roadside blowjob.

Excusing yourself to the bathroom or not should also be personal preference, I do, and then you should be able to hypnotize Allison to be faithful to you, and have a date with Emma at the coffee shop.

If there are any adjustments to formatting that would be beneficial, or specific areas I assumed to be preference that are not actually so, please let me know! (Also sorry for how big this post is)
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« Reply #108 on: January 05, 2025, 11:53:46 pm »

thanks very much
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« Reply #109 on: January 06, 2025, 12:07:03 am »

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So I can’t remember the details because I’ve only gotten this to work on a pre-2024 save that didn’t get wiped.  But I had a coffee date with Emma where she agreed to a dinner date after I got home from Annie’s; I got a blowjob from Renee in the cafe and learned she was a hypnotherapist.  Back at the office, I found that Renee had slipped her business card into my pocket; I then hypnotized Emma at her desk to schedule an appointment with Renee and had the option to either hypnotize her to love me (which leads her to flash me) or to flash me (which leads her to get very confused and leave awkwardly).

Interesting! I don't suppose you recall anything about your relationship with Lorelei in that play through?

Not much.  I usually don’t heavily interact with Lorelei.  I know she didn’t summon me to her place during chapter 4 to ask about the ring.  It was probably more of a “good boyfriend” type play through.  I’ve been doing more dominant playthroughs and mostly have not had Emma propose coffee during chapter 4.  Sadly, since she and Renee and Allison are my favorites.
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« Reply #110 on: January 06, 2025, 06:22:51 am »

Like a new game plus, I've been attempting routes that deviate dramatically from what I like to pick normally. Due to this, I have further found evidence that Renee is likely the pants wearer of Dante and Renee's relationship, and also the source of hypnotism to Allison, probably Dante, and potentially many others. Effectively, if you only lightly hypnotize Allison and don't lean into the slut/whoring/sharing aspect, answer to Annie's beck and call, and then ignore Lorelei until the current final arc, Lorelei will both express her concern for you turning Allison into another Annie, and also her concern that Dante/Renee have already started doing whatever seemed to have caused Annie to dissapear to Allison. It was a noteworthy scene, as Lorelei is otherwise quite calm with the player character but at its conclusion here Lorelei passionately kisses you,  something that is explicitly pointed out not to occur in the many, many sex scenes you can get with Lorelei otherwise. I really should log my "runs" better like a speedrunner would have splits but I was curious if anyone else had unlocked this partiuclar Lorelei scene.

Curiously, there is fairly sufficient evidence that Allison has been or is being manipulated by somebody even if you yourself choose to do effectively nothing yourself. This Lorelei kiss scene further confirms this hypothesis. While it doesn't mean she has explicitly cheated on you, it can mean that if you ask about her faithfulness prior and she answers "I’ve only had sex with you" that in itself could be some hypnotism trigger response.

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« Reply #111 on: January 06, 2025, 07:20:56 am »

Like a new game plus, I've been attempting routes that deviate dramatically from what I like to pick normally. Due to this, I have further found evidence that Renee is likely the pants wearer of Dante and Renee's relationship, and also the source of hypnotism to Allison, probably Dante, and potentially many others. Effectively, if you only lightly hypnotize Allison and don't lean into the slut/whoring/sharing aspect, answer to Annie's beck and call, and then ignore Lorelei until the current final arc, Lorelei will both express her concern for you turning Allison into another Annie, and also her concern that Dante/Renee have already started doing whatever seemed to have caused Annie to dissapear to Allison. It was a noteworthy scene, as Lorelei is otherwise quite calm with the player character but at its conclusion here Lorelei passionately kisses you,  something that is explicitly pointed out not to occur in the many, many sex scenes you can get with Lorelei otherwise. I really should log my "runs" better like a speedrunner would have splits but I was curious if anyone else had unlocked this partiuclar Lorelei scene.

Curiously, there is fairly sufficient evidence that Allison has been or is being manipulated by somebody even if you yourself choose to do effectively nothing yourself. This Lorelei kiss scene further confirms this hypothesis. While it doesn't mean she has explicitly cheated on you, it can mean that if you ask about her faithfulness prior and she answers "I’ve only had sex with you" that in itself could be some hypnotism trigger response.



Fascinating! Trying to replicate this (anal, weird ex, shower, straight to work, not talking to Allison about Annie's request, telling Annie you'll come if she's your slave which there doesn't seem to be an alternative to, flirting with Emma because I can't *not* do that, skipping the bathroom, telling Allison I don't want her to sleep with Dante, fingering Allison into telling me about her enslavement fantasy) didn't lead to a scene of Lorelei spilling tea about Renée but did lead to a t-shirt clad Emma meeting you for coffee and your getting the chance to hypnotize her, which in turn led to a t-shirt clad Emma flashing her tits, which I had assumed couldn't happen.

It runs into the problem of reality not being the same from run to run necessarily -- my best guess at the moment is that the answer to the questions about who is ultimately behind Allison's changed behavior (and Annie's leaving you, years ago) is that it's in a state of quantum uncertainty between "you and your at best semideliberate sexual hypnosis" and "Dante/Renée or a third person, because you haven't evinced sexual hypnosis powers." Which means other details must be variable as well, for narrative consistency (when DID you meet Renée??)


ADD: I tried again and got something similar to what's described, but Lorelei spoke more vaguely about concerns rather than pointing the finger at Renée and Dante.

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"Does it bother you that I'm seeing Annie again?"

"Bothered? No, just disappointed."

"In her?"

"No, not her."

"Me, then?"

Lorelei smiles. "Oh, please don't become insecure on me. Not at all. This is not about you."

"You are certainly being cryptic."

"There are things that I do not wish to talk about without more evidence."

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« Reply #112 on: January 06, 2025, 04:36:38 pm »

So, for the geeks out there, I have to share this: There is a custom programming language inside of Starter Marriage (technically, in the framework, "Cyan"). Because, of course, when a programmer embarks on a new application, the first thing you do is create a custom programming language. (It's mostly Python, but there is in fact a not-quite-Turing-complete programming language that it uses to route actions.)
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« Reply #113 on: January 06, 2025, 06:32:04 pm »

I am deeply amused that Lorelei's cat is completely fine with me turning her into a slave but making her fall in love with me? That's apparently over the line. I also found at least one ending, it's the most boring ending ever like the story is saying shame on you for not fucking at least three other women besides your girlfriend! I do kind of hate all the scrolling one must do to get the result of the next choice. This is especially notable in Lorelei's section where you are trancing her.
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« Reply #114 on: January 07, 2025, 08:26:48 am »

So, for the geeks out there, I have to share this: There is a custom programming language inside of Starter Marriage (technically, in the framework, "Cyan"). Because, of course, when a programmer embarks on a new application, the first thing you do is create a custom programming language. (It's mostly Python, but there is in fact a not-quite-Turing-complete programming language that it uses to route actions.)

Love it.
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