Starter Marriage, Phase 4

[tods1976]

So I can’t remember the details because I’ve only gotten this to work on a pre-2024 save that didn’t get wiped.  But I had a coffee date with Emma where she agreed to a dinner date after I got home from Annie’s; I got a blowjob from Renee in the cafe and learned she was a hypnotherapist.  Back at the office, I found that Renee had slipped her business card into my pocket; I then hypnotized Emma at her desk to schedule an appointment with Renee and had the option to either hypnotize her to love me (which leads her to flash me) or to flash me (which leads her to get very confused and leave awkwardly).

Interesting! I don't suppose you recall anything about your relationship with Lorelei in that play through?

Not much.  I usually don’t heavily interact with Lorelei.  I know she didn’t summon me to her place during chapter 4 to ask about the ring.  It was probably more of a “good boyfriend” type play through.  I’ve been doing more dominant playthroughs and mostly have not had Emma propose coffee during chapter 4.  Sadly, since she and Renee and Allison are my favorites.

Ok, I’m guessing your libido is the driving force behind whether you get to take Emma to coffee.  Just got to hypnotize her and Renee at the cafe. (And Lorelei confirmed my control over Renee).  I didn’t get a blowjob from Emma, and I’m not into sharing, and I didn’t have the option to shut down Allison with Dante in the car or on Thursday night, but otherwise this is close to a perfect run for me.  I wish I’d written everything down but here are some notes.  I’ll see if I can replicate it.

This was a very high dom & libido / collar/ maid run which is based on what flintsteal posted earlier in this thread but with my time with Lorelei focused on getting her to take seriously my hypnosis skills and suggest I hypnotize Emma (which she blurts out during missionary) instead of setting up a concern about Allison cheating.

Also got some side effects that I didn’t program: Allison wanted to get boobs at least as big as Renee’s when we texted from work on Day 4 (I think because we discussed them extensively at Dante’s) and Emma flashed me after I implanted the love and put out on the first date suggestions.

I ignored the text, maxed out the time in sex before doing the special thing, asked Allison to serve dinner nude, avoided telling Allison the text was from Annie or about Annie’s plight until the game made me (I think a phone call from work before I went home to Dante and Renee’s, with Allison basically pushing me into Annie’s bed without prompting). I ignored the memories of Annie in favor of Allison’s shower, generally pushed Allison for an explicit commitment and did not simp for her, told Lorelei I wanted to come to see her, avoided committing to discussing her with Allison (until the protagonist just said it without me making a choice after sex), told her I’d hypnotized Allison, (which she took seriously instead of scoffing that she would be on her back right now if I had hypnotic powers) and I also brought up Emma During missionary, Lorelei suggested using my powers on Emma.

Annie’s text in the car was subby even for Annie (something like “top the shit out of me when you come, Master)”. I used the voucher in the bushes before entering Dante’s. I took the ring and played with Renee’s boobs before the kitchen blowjob. When Allison asked if I allowed her to fuck Dante I asked if she wanted to.  I got the roadside blowjob, skipped the phone, did the special thing for programming her to accept other women.  It was the first time Emma was included in the picture during the programming.  (I want to go back and see what happens if I ask questions in the trance instead, as at least one time I’ve gotten Allison to say she would contact Emma and tell her how great a fuck I am.)

During the dream, I got Paula in college and both Emma illustrations.  Allison fell into a trance at breakfast where I convinced her all was normal.  We fucked afterwards.  I texted everyone but Annie at work because I wanted to wear the ring to coffee with Renee.  Emma in the blue dress invited me to coffee (standing straight up, not leaning over/leaning). Once the option to hypnotize Emma starts to appear - Emma brings up her work challenge on her own - it seems the game checks your skills.  If you quickly bring her into a trance when the opportunity arises (relax, breath work, breathe deep etc) rather than insert a bunch of conversation into your induction, I think you can pick two instructions.  I started with falling in love with me and changing her mind about sex on the first date.  In playing around with this a bit, your ability to hypnotize Emma smoothly also impacts your ability to hypnotize Renee later.  When I only got one command in, or Emma did not accept a command (sending a nude selfie), I couldn’t hypnotize Renee using the route below.

I wanted to be wearing the ring with Renee because she is Dr. Laurel and will try to hypnotize you (I think into getting Emma to set up an appointment with her). Boobs are dangerous so I tried to avoid focusing on them.  I thanked her for what happened in the kitchen and then had the option to tell her something I wanted to do, where I was able to hypnotize her into either answering one question or blowing me in the bathroom. Then you implant a trigger and wake her up.  (In my run, You can choose between learning that Dante bottoms for Lorelei, or that nothing happened between Dante and Allison other than an agreement to ask you if they could play. If you go to the bathroom, I failed to use the hypnocock on Renee but, if you choose to come on her tits, you will have a picture Allison wants to see).  I gave the ring back to Lorelei, who was super subby but did not grant a boon and asked me not to abuse my control over Renee.  At work, Emma flashed me, left a SFW note in my cubicle, and send a flirty text.

[Flintnsteal]

Just got to hypnotize her and Renee at the cafe. (And Lorelei confirmed my control over Renee).

What is the wording for her confirming Renee being under your control?

[Bob42]

Ok, I’m guessing your libido is the driving force behind whether you get to take Emma to coffee.  Just got to hypnotize her and Renee at the cafe. (And Lorelei confirmed my control over Renee).  I didn’t get a blowjob from Emma, and I’m not into sharing, and I didn’t have the option to shut down Allison with Dante in the car or on Thursday night, but otherwise this is close to a perfect run for me.  I wish I’d written everything down but here are some notes.  I’ll see if I can replicate it.

If you want to reduce the sharing with Dante, one suggestion.  Do not watch Allison in the shower.  Hereno's research says that pushes her in the sharing direction.  Try either Natalie (poly but only women) or nothing at breakfast.

[Bob42]

I can't decide if for my "not totally amoral run" I wanna do a boon run or a hypnotism run. The specifics are, for now, I'd be giving Lorelei back her ring, claiming Annie, Allison and Renee (get bent Dante she's mine), and I'm not sure what I am doing yet with Emma and Paula. Curious peoples thoughts.

There are two end states I want, given what we know so far.  It looks like one is possible.  Unfortunately the other is looking less like it'll be an option.

The one that looks most like it fits in with what Daphne is writing is love spell route with you and Lorelie ruling over a harem of all the other women, including Renee and leaving Dante out in the cold.  (Maybe we can feed him to the space snake...)  This probably means using the boon on Renee.

What I want on the hypnotism route looks like it may be outside the parameters being written.  All the women as compliant slaves, but without Allison being at all bimbofied, just compelled to share with the other women and no other men.  In fact I want to marry her and have her help top everyone else.  Unfortunately, that level of MC of the others seems to require pushing Allison toward pure mindless subervience.

All the women meaning, yes Annie, yes Emma, yes Renee and I guess yes Paula, though we know nothing other that hair color, tit size and that she was in college at the same time.  And cutting Dante out as much as possible.  In the hypno scenario Lorelie could be only sometimes, or she could be completely compelled and in the central harem.

[tods1976]

Just got to hypnotize her and Renee at the cafe. (And Lorelei confirmed my control over Renee).

What is the wording for her confirming Renee being under your control?

Just did a quick run to check, though it may vary some.  During missionary sex, there was a picture of Allison and Renee is harem attire (the same one available in the dream sequence) and Lorelei comments that Allison and Annie “could not have worked out better if it had been planned” and that “Renee seems to be falling under your spell as well.”

When you cuddle after sex, Lorelei also adds that you should “be careful how you handle Renee” because she would “hate to see trouble in her life”

[tods1976]

Ok, I’m guessing your libido is the driving force behind whether you get to take Emma to coffee.  Just got to hypnotize her and Renee at the cafe. (And Lorelei confirmed my control over Renee).  I didn’t get a blowjob from Emma, and I’m not into sharing, and I didn’t have the option to shut down Allison with Dante in the car or on Thursday night, but otherwise this is close to a perfect run for me.  I wish I’d written everything down but here are some notes.  I’ll see if I can replicate it.

If you want to reduce the sharing with Dante, one suggestion.  Do not watch Allison in the shower.  Hereno's research says that pushes her in the sharing direction.  Try either Natalie (poly but only women) or nothing at breakfast.

Thanks!  This was helpful. I couldn’t both confirm my hypnotic skills and talk to Lorelei about my worry that Allison was cheating, so I didn’t get the faithfulness hypnosis option.  But I was able to forbid Allison from seeing Dante during the car ride, which she accepted submissively. And I was able to hypnotize Allison, Emma, Renee and Lorelei the next day.

[tods1976]

Just got to hypnotize her and Renee at the cafe. (And Lorelei confirmed my control over Renee).

What is the wording for her confirming Renee being under your control?

Just did a quick run to check, though it may vary some.  During missionary sex, there was a picture of Allison and Renee is harem attire (the same one available in the dream sequence) and Lorelei comments that Allison and Annie “could not have worked out better if it had been planned” and that “Renee seems to be falling under your spell as well.”

When you cuddle after sex, Lorelei also adds that you should “be careful how you handle Renee” because she would “hate to see trouble in her life”

Also, while she seems to enjoy the role play in the moment, if your hypnosis doesn’t work, Renee texts you that if you try it again, she will hypnotize you with her boobs.

[Ch1mmy]

Having done like 50 runs now each one giving me different outcomes makes me just so eager for the next part.The wait is one of the worst parts about a project like this.

[ktc1221]

I have finally landed on... well I suppose it's my personal favorite run. I'm not all that interested in anything with Dante, so that inevitably means for now that I decline Renee's advances. So far, in order to gain Lorelei's boon but remain honest with Allison as much as possible the only "lie" that I can recall is while talking to Renee I tell her I've enchanted Allison to accept Annie when as far as I can tell up to that point I've done no such thing. This appears to give me a powers of sorts, or at least keeps me on Loreleis good side,  another route I'm particularly fond of. If there's a way to just have Lorelei be my dom eventually I'd be all for it but the draw of occult BE is too strong for me to pursue any other routes.

It was refreshing to kind of figure out my own boon route finally.

[Haight]

I've also noticed in the scene with Lorelei on the last update, it seems you can have addictive/orgasmic cum as, if not a mind control method, at least an enticement for women you're partnered with.

[ktc1221]

I've also noticed in the scene with Lorelei on the last update, it seems you can have addictive/orgasmic cum as, if not a mind control method, at least an enticement for women you're partnered with.

Yeah I've gotten that a few times, where your cum seems to be addictive or something like that. It's either related to or tangential to the hypno cock route that's also possible. A personal favorite of mine is getting the addictive cum orgasm with Lorelei after having given her back the ring and been granted a boon. Just feels like a win/win scenario to me.

[Flintnsteal]

The one minor complaint I have at the moment is there are certain points where its unclear if a particular line isn't showing up because you didn't get it, or because you got it and some other lines, and those other ones are being shown instead. The example I'm thinking of is the texts on the last page, Renee has a text that she sometimes sends, but I can't check if I am getting it in my one run, because Emma and Annie also send texts, which are shown. I could do a similar run, and say, not flirt with Emma, but that doesn't really help, because the decision to not might have knock on effects. I'm not even sure if there is a way to change it, or if there is what I would like to see, but I just needed to vent it.

[Daphne]

The one minor complaint I have at the moment is there are certain points where its unclear if a particular line isn't showing up because you didn't get it, or because you got it and some other lines, and those other ones are being shown instead. The example I'm thinking of is the texts on the last page, Renee has a text that she sometimes sends, but I can't check if I am getting it in my one run, because Emma and Annie also send texts, which are shown. I could do a similar run, and say, not flirt with Emma, but that doesn't really help, because the decision to not might have knock on effects. I'm not even sure if there is a way to change it, or if there is what I would like to see, but I just needed to vent it.

The way to think of it is: If you didn't get it, you didn't get it. It's not a matter of "Renée sent the text but the system only displays x texts so you didn't get to see it."

[contagious]

I realize that one day this will be a completed story and players/readers will get the chance to complete this in a relatively short time frame, but I can't help but feel that Annie has been waiting over five years for us to come spend the weekend with her. Also, unlike the other comics, you can't choose a 'chapter' to start on. You can either repeat the current chapter or go back to the start, which I guess makes sense as the system has to remember all your choices.

I find myself preferring the hypno run, it seems to offer the most choices and feels like you can do most of what Lorelei offers yourself. And hypnotizing Lorelei is currently your longest scene with a boatload of choices, all of which seem to have varying degrees of success. I love the routes that explicitly have her calling me Master or love (even if the cat wants to kill me on that last one). The runs where you primarily use the ring can offer the same or similar results but feel like you're offered less choices overall. I'd still rather have it given the hints of otherworldly forces and other people taking what should be mine.

I do wish it were possible to see stats. Sometimes, it's difficult to see how much a particular choice affected your 'stats' in story. This is especially true when it comes to sex acts. It doesn't feel like it matters where I cum, but I know it does, just like how maxing out all the sex scenes can 'unlock' extra content vs doing wham, bam, thank you, ma'am.

I do look forward to the next phase, even if it is smaller in scope. I find the ending of this phase somewhat perplexing. No matter what I do, the door is always unlocked. This is a fixed point it seems, much like dinner with Dante and Renee. You can't avoid it and you can only change a few things here and there, but no matter what, the door is unlocked and for some reason, that's Important.

[Flintnsteal]

The way to think of it is: If you didn't get it, you didn't get it. It's not a matter of "Renée sent the text but the system only displays x texts so you didn't get to see it."

Gotcha, clearly this means back to hunting for the perfect setup!