Starter Marriage, Phase 4

[Flintnsteal]

I don't keep good enough track to determine what determines whether a) you hypnotize Renee into giving you a blowjob in the coffee shop restroom, b) Renee gives you a blowjob in the restroom without hypnosis happening, c) Renee tells you she's a hypnotherapist, or d) none of these things happen.  There's a path where Renee gives you her business card and then afterwards you use that as a prop to hypnotize Emma at work? I'd love to hear more about that.

For Renee telling you shes a hypnotherapist, as far as I've seen it depends on you complimenting her boobs/asking how her work is, verses thanking her for the blowjob. Not to say this is the only determinant, but that seems to influence it.

[Vidor]

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[Haight]

I haven't seen it and don't know if it exists, but on the morning of the last chapter, it's possible to get a scene where Allison asks if you're doing anything to her. Is it possible to be able to tell her that you are doing something to her instead of dancing around the issue?

[jwik01]

I haven't seen it and don't know if it exists, but on the morning of the last chapter, it's possible to get a scene where Allison asks if you're doing anything to her. Is it possible to be able to tell her that you are doing something to her instead of dancing around the issue?

The only options I've seen there are "dance around the issue" and "dance around the issue leading into hypnotizing her and having sex with her."

[ktc1221]

I haven't seen it and don't know if it exists, but on the morning of the last chapter, it's possible to get a scene where Allison asks if you're doing anything to her. Is it possible to be able to tell her that you are doing something to her instead of dancing around the issue?

The only options I've seen there are "dance around the issue" and "dance around the issue leading into hypnotizing her and having sex with her."

I also have never seen an "yes I'm hypnotizing you". It's only ever sway her further or not.

Ive managed a, idk what to call this, full harem run? Shocking I'm sure to everyone present but if you are a bit manipulative at the start by choosong "nothing important" and tell Lorelei you are using hypnosis , and then taking the ring at Dante and Renees it seems by chapter 4 you can get every female you've been able to interact with to be your sex slave or at least en route. I was able to even get Emma under hypnosis on this particular route, both at the cafe to give initial instructions and she flashed me at the office afterwards despite not explicitly asking her to do so. I did not ever get Renee's business card, so perhaps there's other routes still to be found but I am pleased as punch to have finally cracked Emma.

As Flintnsteal here put it, perhaps Dominant Harem is the best name for this particular playthrough and tempo.

[jwik01]

I don't keep good enough track to determine what determines whether a) you hypnotize Renee into giving you a blowjob in the coffee shop restroom, b) Renee gives you a blowjob in the restroom without hypnosis happening, c) Renee tells you she's a hypnotherapist, or d) none of these things happen.  There's a path where Renee gives you her business card and then afterwards you use that as a prop to hypnotize Emma at work? I'd love to hear more about that.

For Renee telling you shes a hypnotherapist, as far as I've seen it depends on you complimenting her boobs/asking how her work is, verses thanking her for the blowjob. Not to say this is the only determinant, but that seems to influence it.

Huh, I tried (immediately after hypnotizing Emma into falling in love with you) complimenting Renee's boobs like a horndog and this was enough to put her into a trance, which I am pretty sure was a different route to hypnotizing her than I've used before. It was followed up with Emma flashing you at work (as a knock-on of her falling in love not as the direct result of a hypnotic command), which I hadn't seen before either.

[Flintnsteal]

For Renee telling you shes a hypnotherapist, as far as I've seen it depends on you complimenting her boobs/asking how her work is, verses thanking her for the blowjob. Not to say this is the only determinant, but that seems to influence it.

Huh, I tried (immediately after hypnotizing Emma into falling in love with you) complimenting Renee's boobs like a horndog and this was enough to put her into a trance, which I am pretty sure was a different route to hypnotizing her than I've used before. It was followed up with Emma flashing you at work (as a knock-on of her falling in love not as the direct result of a hypnotic command), which I hadn't seen before either.

That sequencing for those two is atm what I'm keeping for my cannon route, (I'm a fake boobs girl, what can I say). I had a question though, for you, if you *didnt* make Emma fall in love with you, choosing one of the other suggestions for her, were you able to trance Renee?

[Daphne]

I'm a fake boobs girl, what can I say).

We have such delights to show you.

[Flintnsteal]

I'm a fake boobs girl, what can I say).

We have such delights to show you.

I mean Renee is out and away my fave character so, yknow, legitimately any Renee content I am here for. Also Allison is going down that path because of course she is .

[Haight]

I'm a fake boobs girl, what can I say).

We have such delights to show you.

The posing of the photographs for Annie leads me to believe, well...

[tods1976]

2 I've found three outfits for Emma on Thursday, two of which might be the same outfit presented in two different poses. I've gotten you to hypnotized Emma at the coffee shop but saw a reference to you hypnotizing her at work, is that a thing?

Cook naked, collared Annie photo, don't talk to Allison about Annie, tell Emma she would get along with Allison, tell Lorelei you've been hypnotizing Allison, tell Lorelei about Emma, get three blowjobs from Allison and Renee, use your magic fingers on Allison to encourage her wanting to share you with other women, hypnotize Allison in the morning, meet Emma for coffee, hypnotize Emma. I've gotten her to flash you and to text you a nude, I imagine that's as much as there is in terms of content in this chapter as opposed to setup for phase 5.

3 One time I managed to have you hypnotize Renee in the coffee shop (not in the restroom) and another time they've play-acted with you waggling your cock in her face in the restroom which didn't seem like Renee actually entering a trance state. Is there more to that?

I don't keep good enough track to determine what determines whether a) you hypnotize Renee into giving you a blowjob in the coffee shop restroom, b) Renee gives you a blowjob in the restroom without hypnosis happening, c) Renee tells you she's a hypnotherapist, or d) none of these things happen.  There's a path where Renee gives you her business card and then afterwards you use that as a prop to hypnotize Emma at work? I'd love to hear more about that.

4 Daphne suggested there was something more brutal than the scene where you hypnotize and attempt to enslave Lorelei. Brutality is in the eye of the beholder but I haven't seen anything that seems plausibly like what she's talking about, anybody have anything?

None of the stuff with Emma or Renee that I've found comes close to the Lorelei sequence so this is still an open question. I did at one point manage to set it up so that you receive an anonymous ring emoji text message in Dante and Renee's bathroom, which alerts you to Lorelei's ring, which raises the question of who on earth would be in a position to do that and why they would.

5 I don't remember what sets Lorelei off on Wednesday that leads to her spinning the incubus story, though eighteen months ago I'd figured it out. Also the only pre-chapter-5 new content I've stumbled across is a brief sequence while you hypnotize Allison late Wednesday night, where you can push her into a "tradwife" fantasy. Anyone have anything there?

I'm sure I could work back to this if I poke at it but I'm more curious about the pre-Chapter 5 new content that's been mentioned. It may be small adjustments that I simply haven't noticed (I admit I don't read too carefully when I'm going through yet another playthrough), rather than full, previously-absent scenes.

I had forgotten that if you keep your antics sufficiently vanilla the game ends at the close of Chapter 4, as you and Allison simply settle into domestic bliss. It's a nice touch.

6 Speaking very generally my perception is that the paths through the game mostly don't have mutually exclusive scenes (you don't have to choose between coffee with Emma and coffee with Renee, for instance) and that there aren't any sex scenes you can lock yourself out of by opting for a different sex scene instead (obviously you can only redeem the voucher with Allison once, but not getting the voucher doesn't as far as I know unlock an otherwise-hidden scene where Allison helps you seduce Emma, or anything like that). Am I wrong?

If there's a situation where leaving Lorelei's ring, for instance, unlocks something later on you miss if you're distracted by comforting/enslaving your longtime lover, I haven't seen it. Or one where skipping the face-to-face meeting with Lorelei on Wednesday unlocks something...?

So I can’t remember the details because I’ve only gotten this to work on a pre-2024 save that didn’t get wiped.  But I had a coffee date with Emma where she agreed to a dinner date after I got home from Annie’s; I got a blowjob from Renee in the cafe and learned she was a hypnotherapist.  Back at the office, I found that Renee had slipped her business card into my pocket; I then hypnotized Emma at her desk to schedule an appointment with Renee and had the option to either hypnotize her to love me (which leads her to flash me) or to flash me (which leads her to get very confused and leave awkwardly).

[jwik01]

So I can’t remember the details because I’ve only gotten this to work on a pre-2024 save that didn’t get wiped.  But I had a coffee date with Emma where she agreed to a dinner date after I got home from Annie’s; I got a blowjob from Renee in the cafe and learned she was a hypnotherapist.  Back at the office, I found that Renee had slipped her business card into my pocket; I then hypnotized Emma at her desk to schedule an appointment with Renee and had the option to either hypnotize her to love me (which leads her to flash me) or to flash me (which leads her to get very confused and leave awkwardly).

Interesting! I don't suppose you recall anything about your relationship with Lorelei in that play through?

[ktc1221]

I'm a fake boobs girl, what can I say).

We have such delights to show you.

The posing of the photographs for Annie leads me to believe, well...

I agree with the heavy implications that Annie has undergone some form of plastic surgery. If you have picked any of Renee's/ the implant options throughout,  she texts about her "melons", the pictures you get don't reveal her top half, and even Renee mentions that prior to your breakup Annie had discussed wanting surgery directly to her. The in character response is always "she never told me", but if I had to bet I'd certainly wager in favor of Annie having gone through some extensive changes since her older photos. She herself mentions "in case you don't recognize me" at the end of this phase. Not to mention the mysterious Paula character who almost certainly has implants too, given her size and that genetically few women get that big naturally, shows our main character has a history with implants.

I don't know that I'm strictly into augmentation, but it is the real world equivalent and most direct method of breast expansion and fits the objectification fetish that I've come to terms enjoying so I am conflicted. On one hand, I love big boobs. Implants nowadays even naked are not the 90s versions. Some manage to look quite nice even without accentuating clothing. On the other,  I am perhaps irrationally pro naturalism and find attractive qualities and beauty in the more mundane aspects of feminity. There is a sexual appeal to a woman who has implants because it's a statement of "yeah that's right I paid for these" but equally sexy is a woman confident in the body they've been born in.

If there's a way to have Allison get bigger boobs without surgery presented in this series, that will almost assuredly become my preffered routing. Starter Marriage blurs the line between fairly realistic interpretation of such a relationship/scenario with the super natural, as all the hypnotism scenes imply a more mystical state of conscious existing. As of yet, I havent found any route implying much breast focus if you ignore any implants though, which is fair. I don't necessarily expect BE ala magic science or just plain magic in every MC medium I just enjoy when it's there.

Flesh for Fantasy is an excellent recent source to point at to explain what I like/am looking for. As I've stated numerous times now on other forum posts the actual breast expansion I scour the internet for almost always is actually about the sexual submission it tends to be accompanied, portrayed, or written along side.

[jwik01]

This is just speculation but my best guess is that Paula was your college girlfriend -- the background in the images looks to me like a dorm room -- which implies that her tits are natural, not enhanced.

[curiouscat321]

It would be really hot if her tits were natural. But, either way, I’m sure the content is going to be amazing.