Starter Marriage, Phase 4

[JorgeTulio]

Well, I've hypnotized Emma in the cafe and on a seperate playthrough, at work. I want to know if it's possible to do both

[djv]

Lorelei's scene did feel particulalrly dark

I'm going to bite: I don't really get why her sequence is "darker" than, say, what you're doing to Allison? I suppose it depends on the run. But I mean... this is a fetish about non-consensually mind controlling people into being slaves. It's all dark. (I like the dark stuff.)

Obviously Allison's MC is "non consensual mind control" too, and in real life it would be similarly awful, but MC erotica in my mind has lots of "gradients". At least prior to chapter four:

A. It's (still) very ambiguous exactly who is actually masterminding Allison's changes throughout the story, or whether the MC realizes that the thing he's doing is working. The "tell me what you're thinking" option suggests that Dante or someone else is the one making major changes to your wife, not you.
B. Your relationship with Allison gets going before the story begins, so the reader doesn't really feel it as much. Something about the firsf meeting with Lorelei, where you're sharing secrets and getting advice, feels more intimate than the conversations with your wife, especially if you're hiding things from Allison at that stage in the game
C. Allison doesn't visibly protest what's happening to her until chapter 4, and then not very 'ferociously'; often before chapter 4 she practically begs you to keep going

On the other hand, in the ring sequence with Lorelei: Here is an old friend, a friend who trusts you, coming to you dejected, terrified and afraid of what Dante and them will do to her, now that she doesn't have the item you stole... Lorelei, your beautiful, unique confidant, a gem among women, who is doing her damnednest to maintain her agency despite the circumstances... To turn such a wonderful person into Yet Another Sex Slave... My heart breaks <\3

Think my 'canon' playthrough going forward is going to be a ring return to Lorelei and then protecting her from Dante and them. I have a feeling that actually picking up the ring inbetween chapter 2 and 4 for safekeeping could be necessary for a good ending in the future.

[djv]

I totally like the dark stuff too just FYI. Just tryna explaining my emotional reaction to internet porn  

[djv]

The Lorelei-Ring sequence is the darkest part of the multipath so far...

This lead me down a rabbit hole. It seems clear that Dante, at a minimum, is responsible for some external mc occurring. Whether you lie to Allison or not at the start, she still wants to go with Dante or at expresses interest in him. Dante and Renee's house is also where you find Lorelei's ring, which seems to be invaluable to her ability to stave off any MC attempts. The fact she took it off while at their place suggests outside influence, which it's reasonable to conclude Dante's involvement with our current information. Perhaps im just stating the obvious here, but it has been fun to try and dissect the story from a readers pov. There is a fun gameing aspect because you can always restart and try new options. It's thanks to this that I found both Renee's Cafe scene and Lorelei's ringless mind control sequence which as far as i have tested seem to be mutually exclusive in that you can do one or the other. There is likely even more to discover if I was creative enough or wanted to be meaner throughout.

Crafting the story through the different playthroughs is the best part for me! Daphne is a great writer, and there are all these little nuggets of information for people with an eye for details.

I thought the (paraphrasing) "Why did you leave the ring in the bathroom, deems unlike you" - "I don't know why I did either" back and forth during the ring sequence was suggestive of her being specifically manipulated into leaving the ring at Dante's place...

[djv]

Gets as in there's more brutal MC already in the extant content, or gets as in there will be still more brutal MC to come in 2027-or-whenever?

In phase 4, although it's within what I'd call the general MCC limits (such as they are).

Interesting, I have done what I thought was a max-Dom play through with all four of Lorelei, Emma, Renee, Allison MCd, but didn't notice anything more significant than the Lorelei one yet...

[Flintnsteal]

Gets as in there's more brutal MC already in the extant content, or gets as in there will be still more brutal MC to come in 2027-or-whenever?

In phase 4, although it's within what I'd call the general MCC limits (such as they are).

Interesting, I have done what I thought was a max-Dom play through with all four of Lorelei, Emma, Renee, Allison MCd, but didn't notice anything more significant than the Lorelei one yet...

How did you get Emma to show up? Like, did you have any indication the scene was coming?

[Flintnsteal]

Gets as in there's more brutal MC already in the extant content, or gets as in there will be still more brutal MC to come in 2027-or-whenever?

In phase 4, although it's within what I'd call the general MCC limits (such as they are).

Interesting, I have done what I thought was a max-Dom play through with all four of Lorelei, Emma, Renee, Allison MCd, but didn't notice anything more significant than the Lorelei one yet...

How did you get Emma to show up? Like, did you have any indication the scene was coming?

I finally got it to work.

[LongPlay]

I'm not quite understanding what you mean? Unless you mean how to get the Lorelei and Emma scenes, because you seem to have achieved the Allison and Renee scenes.

That's right! Though I think someone else mentioned hypnotizing Allison at breakfast, which I haven't had the option to do yet. As for the other two, I can get the coffee date with Emma to some heavy flirting and an invite to the party, but nothing like explicitly hypnotizing her. And for Lorelei, I can take keep the ring from her but don't get an option to control her. Though given how utterly anxious and sad she looks (thanks to Plutonian Knight's and MS's art here!), I'm not sure I'll have the heart to!

One thing I am intrigued about is Dante's character and motivations - is he always a (probably) malevolent force and exerting control or others? Or is he sometimes just a kinky poly guy? And if he is malign, to what extent is Renee an accomplice, given her own hypnosis skills? I get the sense this is connected as to whether the ring shows up or not. Of course I could be completely wrong, but that's the fun of it.

[ktc1221]

Lorelei's scene did feel particulalrly dark

I'm going to bite: I don't really get why her sequence is "darker" than, say, what you're doing to Allison? I suppose it depends on the run. But I mean... this is a fetish about non-consensually mind controlling people into being slaves. It's all dark. (I like the dark stuff.)

Obviously Allison's MC is "non consensual mind control" too, and in real life it would be similarly awful, but MC erotica in my mind has lots of "gradients". At least prior to chapter four:

A. It's (still) very ambiguous exactly who is actually masterminding Allison's changes throughout the story, or whether the MC realizes that the thing he's doing is working. The "tell me what you're thinking" option suggests that Dante or someone else is the one making major changes to your wife, not you.
B. Your relationship with Allison gets going before the story begins, so the reader doesn't really feel it as much. Something about the firsf meeting with Lorelei, where you're sharing secrets and getting advice, feels more intimate than the conversations with your wife, especially if you're hiding things from Allison at that stage in the game
C. Allison doesn't visibly protest what's happening to her until chapter 4, and then not very 'ferociously'; often before chapter 4 she practically begs you to keep going

On the other hand, in the ring sequence with Lorelei: Here is an old friend, a friend who trusts you, coming to you dejected, terrified and afraid of what Dante and them will do to her, now that she doesn't have the item you stole... Lorelei, your beautiful, unique confidant, a gem among women, who is doing her damnednest to maintain her agency despite the circumstances... To turn such a wonderful person into Yet Another Sex Slave... My heart breaks <\3

Think my 'canon' playthrough going forward is going to be a ring return to Lorelei and then protecting her from Dante and them. I have a feeling that actually picking up the ring inbetween chapter 2 and 4 for safekeeping could be necessary for a good ending in the future.

Yes, Lorelei's felt much darker because at least from the player's perspective you have a sexual/romantic relationship from the past and as you've stated she seems to have some kind of magical/paranormal/ward attached to the ring and she's trusted you to confide in. Allison, as much as I enjoy her, feels like a blank slate/canvas for the player to mould comparatively. At least in terms of the "game" mechanics. I dislike being dishonest with Allison too, but that's partly because everytime I choose dishonesty and lying about your affair with Lorelei but then ask Allison if she's done anything with anyone else she at least seems to claim that no, you're her only partner right now and you generally get a shocked expression from her. Whether this is true, or if she's been manipulated by an external factor like Dante or Renee, has yet to come to fruition.

There is an important distinction with Allison in that she is your current girlfriend and publicly people know this, as compared to Lorelei who seems to be a side fling/soulmate situationship? Unclear. You know The relationship with Allison is public because of the interactions with Emma.

There seems to be something quite nefarious brewing with the Dante/Renee storyline, but I suspect now after a few more runs that Renee might be the actual mastermind as she claims Dante is submissive to Lorelei, and is the only woman he's been submissive to.

Granted maybe all of this "meta" knowledge is pointless, and what the characters say to you is only relevant to that particular playthrough. The only constant Ive been able to trigger is that Lorelei's mind control sequence is locked if you give her back her ring.

[ktc1221]

Well, I've hypnotized Emma in the cafe and on a seperate playthrough, at work. I want to know if it's possible to do both

I can't seem to figure out how to hypnotize Emma. Everything else I seem to understand or at least have a chain to follow to guarantee hypnosis/master/slave dynamic but she eludes me. Even Renee's bathroom scene i can get consistently.

I am curious if Allison being a sex-slave in the morning is required, as sp far the only times I have gotten Emma to be at coffee and the rest of the hypnosis scenes is if I've jacked Allisons libido up too.

Also, you can hypnotize her at work? In all my playthroughs I've never seen that. The amount of options in this comic/game is quite incredible. No wonder it took so long to release.

I suppose on that note, is there more to Allison and the master/slave dynamic before Dante and Renee's? I only ever get her to call me Master (without having said to) where it catches the player off gaurd.

[ktc1221]

A big congrats to Daphne and everyone involved in producing this! I can’t imagine the amount of work and brain-frying code it took to produce this and make it run smoothly, while still being an immersive and hot story.

I’d also appreciate any pointers on how to get to a stage where you can overtly hypnotise people in the new chapter. While I’ve been able to get into Allison into trance state in Chapter 4, and did manage to hypnotise Renee with my cock in the cafe bathroom, I haven’t discovered any more scenes along those lines. I get the sense I may have to deviate from my usual routes to get there.

There's additional scenes with Lorelei if you've taken the ring/triggered the ring scenes from Dante and Renee's and established yourself as an overtly mindcontrol focused character. It allows you to hypnotize Lorelei, leading to both her Kneeling and giving you a BJ, and potentially anal if you so desire. I also had to deviate from my "cannon" playthrough to even know this was possible, as my standard options only lead to me giving the ring back to Lorelei (something I was happy to do).

The scene that eludes me so far is anything with Emma beyond a casual /slightly flirty cafe. I don't get any prompts for a hypnosis or more flirty thing to her no matter which options I've gone with. Nothing overt like the options for the other women whom I have been "successful" in dominating anyway.

[jwik01]

Discussion questions, probably I will come up with more.

1 I vaguely recall that there's a way to navigate the first scene that includes you telling Allison to get her breasts enlarged that doesn't result in her snapping abruptly out of trance, but I can't find it now. Am I misremembering? I may be remembering her getting more open to anal depending on your approach?

2 I've found three outfits for Emma on Thursday, two of which might be the same outfit presented in two different poses. I've gotten you to hypnotized Emma at the coffee shop but saw a reference to you hypnotizing her at work, is that a thing?

3 One time I managed to have you hypnotize Renee in the coffee shop (not in the restroom) and another time they've play-acted with you waggling your cock in her face in the restroom which didn't seem like Renee actually entering a trance state. Is there more to that?

4 Daphne suggested there was something more brutal than the scene where you hypnotize and attempt to enslave Lorelei. Brutality is in the eye of the beholder but I haven't seen anything that seems plausibly like what she's talking about, anybody have anything?

5 I don't remember what sets Lorelei off on Wednesday that leads to her spinning the incubus story, though eighteen months ago I'd figured it out. Also the only pre-chapter-5 new content I've stumbled across is a brief sequence while you hypnotize Allison late Wednesday night, where you can push her into a "tradwife" fantasy. Anyone have anything there?

6 Speaking very generally my perception is that the paths through the game mostly don't have mutually exclusive scenes (you don't have to choose between coffee with Emma and coffee with Renee, for instance) and that there aren't any sex scenes you can lock yourself out of by opting for a different sex scene instead (obviously you can only redeem the voucher with Allison once, but not getting the voucher doesn't as far as I know unlock an otherwise-hidden scene where Allison helps you seduce Emma, or anything like that). Am I wrong?

[Daphne]

Hypnotizing Emma in the café, while possible, is one of the "narrowest" paths in the game to date (in that there is the least variation of choices that will lead to it), so don't feel you're missing something obvious. :-)

[hereno]

5 I don't remember what sets Lorelei off on Wednesday that leads to her spinning the incubus story, though eighteen months ago I'd figured it out. Also the only pre-chapter-5 new content I've stumbled across is a brief sequence while you hypnotize Allison late Wednesday night, where you can push her into a "tradwife" fantasy. Anyone have anything there?

Might have gotten buried down below:

I think I found a piece of content in chapter 4 that's new, Allison as tradwife. Now, though, I'm trying to replicate a thing I eventually managed with hereno's advisement in 2023, get Allison to declare herself your sex slave without Annie being your sex slave as well, and the method I claimed worked in 2023 doesn't (more likely my bad note-taking than a change to the content).

Since this is from earlier chapters, I can answer these.

The Allison tradwife path ("Let's talk about you being my maid" through four stages) is old; was there all along.

There's a couple paths to Allison's self-declaration as slave, but an easy one is to get the explicit commitment out of Annie and then reject her.

[hereno]

1 I vaguely recall that there's a way to navigate the first scene that includes you telling Allison to get her breasts enlarged that doesn't result in her snapping abruptly out of trance, but I can't find it now. Am I misremembering? I may be remembering her getting more open to anal depending on your approach?

This is old too, so I'll answer: pretty sure Allison always snaps out of it when you ask about her boobs. No way around that.

With anal, she can suggest starting with a finger sometime.

Generally: she's most receptive if you go through all the "speed" options (you have a long sex session) and you don't stop to look at your phone.