Starter Marriage, Phase 3.

[hereno]

Now, Speed, Keep, This, Speed, Stop, Cook, Speaking, I, Nothing, You.

Well now that's interesting. The part I bolded ("Speaking," which is when you get a blowjob from Allison in the very first sex scene) is the only change from what I did... and you're right, it cuts off the ability to reject her explicit commitment.

Apparently blowjobs mean you're thirstier than if you have actual sex?

[hereno]

Actually thinking about this further: the very first time you use your magic fingers on Allison, if you choose the blowjob fantasy, that does put her on the "full nympho / fuck everybody" path. So the game does seem to be saying that blowjob fantasies = pure horniness.

[jwik01]

Well, okay.

So I guess we can be pretty confident in deciding that earning the blowjob voucher and having the capacity to turn down Annie's explicit commitment are mutually exclusive.

[Haight]

Well, okay.

So I guess we can be pretty confident in deciding that earning the blowjob voucher and having the capacity to turn down Annie's explicit commitment are mutually exclusive.

That's really frustrating.

[Daphne]

That's really frustrating.

Precisely.

[jwik01]

Well, it wouldn't be much of a game if your choices didn't have consequences.

[Haight]

Well, it wouldn't be much of a game if your choices didn't have consequences.

It's just weird when the consequences seem... unrelated.

[jwik01]

I dunno, it seems to hang together to me: if you consistently demonstrate that you want women serving you sexually, serving you orally, serving you dinner, to the point that you get Allison to give you the voucher, it makes sense that you aren't the kind of guy who won't take a sex slave when one offers herself to you.

I suppose there might be two different variables at work here, that the choice path we've been talking about gets you just enough Allison Voucher points and also just enough Annie Offer points, and the "speaking of swallowing" option is what puts both counters over the top, such that if you don't go for the chapter one blowjob you don't get either...but there might be another route through that gives you enough Allison Voucher points without giving you so many Annie Offer points. 

[jwik01]

See how much engagement Starter Marriage gets you, Daphne?

[Daphne]

Well, it wouldn't be much of a game if your choices didn't have consequences.

It's just weird when the consequences seem... unrelated.

There is actually an underlying logic to it, although I'll admit I might be the only one in the world who thinks of it that way.

[Daphne]

See how much engagement Starter Marriage gets you, Daphne?

I'm loving every minute of it, I won't lie.

[hereno]

Bug: if you text Lorelei in the bathroom, then when you go to join Allison in the bedroom, she is still clothed, even though the text says she is naked. (Not exactly game-breaking.)

[Daphne]

Bug: if you text Lorelei in the bathroom, then when you go to join Allison in the bedroom, she is still clothed, even though the text says she is naked. (Not exactly game-breaking.)

Thank you!

[Haight]

I still think something's up with the variables that govern how big the POV character and Allison are willing to go with her boob job.

[hereno]

Alright, new thing to explore, if anybody wants to join me (or if you already know the answer):

When you fuck Lorelei (and aren't locked into going down on her), you have a choice to finger / get head from / missionary her. I just noticed that for getting head, some runthroughs will have you "ask" her for that, and other runthroughs will have you "tell" her to do that.

I think if you get the "ask" option, you will also later discover her ring in Dante's bathroom; but if you get the "tell" option, you won't.

I think this might get determined by choosing to "get up a little earlier" instead of "sleeping in" at the start of Ch. 2: Memory Lane. It's not this. Currently, I think it's related to Allison having a low libido.

But not sure on all of this. Want to pin this down.

UPDATE

"Now is not the time" immediately into "Stop and do that thing she likes" eventually results in "Tell her" with Lorelei (including after you finger her first). There is no ring at Dante's.

"Now is not the time" and one sex act before you "Stop and do that thing she likes" eventually results in "Tell her" with Lorelei... but if you finger her first, the following option is to "Ask her." There is no ring at Dante's.

"Now is not the time" and two or more sex acts before you "Stop and do that thing she likes" eventually results in "Ask her" with Lorelei (including after you finger her first). There is a ring at Dante's.

Early conclusion is that less sex with Allison (and thus, lower libido for Allison and protagonist) for some reason results in you being more Dominant towards Lorelei, which therefore means she's not having a fling with Dante. That would imply there's no way to "Tell" Lorelei and also get the "fantasy" ending at the end of Ch. 4: The Girlfriend Experience.

I feel like there's a lot going on under the hood here... don't know if I fully understand all of it.