Saint James Infirmary 607: Purely Speculative

[Daphne]

[laguna85]

up and out
what will come nexts

[jmundt29]

Out of the frying pan, into the fire?

[mns_95125]

I'm guessing speculation on what might be done with the Watch, now that Danielle knows how to use it properly.  If it can be used to deprogram Echo, what about the rest of the harem?  Seems like an obvious question for Erin to ask at this point.

Danielle said she sabotaged the original Watch somehow.  I wonder if the new one she rebuilt suffers from the same problem?

[lifmcs]

I see that the methaphor of climbing up out of a dream state as opposed to going deeper is brought to its most effective visual conclusion in panel 3 here. Well played.


Edit: i make werds better.

[jmundt29]

So...what is she wondering?  And what is she doing?  Last time she jumped in without looking, she almost got trapped in Pearl's head.  Now she's risking getting trapped in Dani's head?

[mns_95125]

I wonder what Erin is wondering.

Is she just taking a last contemplative look around the inside of Danielle's memory or is she planning to do something before leaving?  If the latter I suppose some kind of memory alteration is the likely candidate.  Perhaps Erin wants to suppress Danielle's memory of Echo?

[Haight]

I wonder what Erin is wondering.

Is she just taking a last contemplative look around the inside of Danielle's memory or is she planning to do something before leaving?  If the latter I suppose some kind of memory alteration is the likely candidate.  Perhaps Erin wants to suppress Danielle's memory of Echo?

I hope not, as that would imply the watch doesn't have too good of a hold on her... Erin should be thinking about how she can get Echo into Adrian's harem, not trying to shut her out. No jealousy, remember?

[laguna85]

Have a ladder out of Danielle memory,  Are we look through Maghan eyes?
Erin do not want Adrian and Echo to get back togetter.
you right there is no jealousy but still have small part of it.

[GodWilling]

We know the watch "works". The polaroids suggest that in her previous incarnation Dani used the watch on Claudia. And the watch worked straight out of the box (under Dani's bed) on the Night of it. So Dani's sabotage doesn't appear to have stopped the watch working at any point. Yet we were alerted to the sabotage in a manner that suggests it was important.

Claudia is still stuck in the NY harem. Rain says the effects of the watch are not reversible. The only person who says they are is Dani observing a memory of Jakob (possibly) working on the design of the watch. Dani built the watch, presumably after the time of this memory. The only idea I can come up with about the sabotage is that she made the watch in such a way that its effects are irreversible. And that could be consistent with Jakob having to disappear. I think we know, for example, that he was regularly using the pendant on Pearl without Ezra knowing about it. That might not have been so easy with the watch.

On the other hand, perhaps he just made Dani think she'd sabotaged the watch, and now she's broken through that programming.

Their poses don't seem to be all that fixed but in the last panel here, and the first panel where we saw them, memory-Dani and Echo seem to be eyeing each other. I can't work out if there's supposed to be some animosity there.

The chronology here is of interest. Echo disappeared before Claudia, although possibly Claudia was under instruction when she told Adrian Echo had gone back to England. I think that's supposed to be Claudia reaching out in the last panel of 361. So it looks like both Claudia and Echo were taken before the watch was created. The polaroids seemed to show Claudia dressed in something like her civilian clothing (146), so it looked like that was her initiation. But perhaps not.

We've seen some evidence that Adrian's lineage is of some importance - not least to Rain. Which also suggests Miriam's parentage is significant. (And lest we forget they're close to being half-twins, if such things exist. And it seems Adrian's parents, and Jacqui, and Jakob were all in Kearsarge around the same time.) It probably isn't just coincidence/fate/destiny that Jakob took an interest in both of them. It seems likely that Echo was targeted. So was she recruited by Claudia? Was Claudia some kind of predecessor of Dani's as maitresse-en-titre? Do the polariods show something significant happening politically? (Probably not.)

I'd be prepared to believe that Erin was contemplating interfering with Dani's memories if and only if the excellence and reliability of Dani's memory had been stressed in some way.

[mns_95125]

I hope not, as that would imply the watch doesn't have too good of a hold on her... Erin should be thinking about how she can get Echo into Adrian's harem, not trying to shut her out. No jealousy, remember?

I wonder how much of the lack of jealousy depends on the belief that Watch programming is irreversible?  If you know that your lover can't get rid of you then you have no reason to fear other women.  But the possibility that Watch programming can be undone means that Adrian could set Erin free, and knowing Echo's location (no pun intended) provides a candidate for her replacement.

Adrian gives the harem members a lot of latitude.  This may come back and bite him.  As noted before, it wouldn't be the first time a harem member has concealed something from Adrian that he probably would have wanted to know.

[laguna85]

You reprogram girl to change master but the old master May still in there deep memory
back (sji-i185)
would mess them more if try to free them.
No I'd love you for doing it and hate you for keeping me from you and I'd never be anything but yours.

[Haight]

We've seen some evidence that Adrian's lineage is of some importance - not least to Rain.

Dunno about Adrian's lineage, but Jacqui implied that she and Rain were the same thing - she said that if Adrian asked about it, she'd have to tell him (presumably because of the watch programming), but she wouldn't volunteer that on her own. It explains why she's aged so well, at least.

[jmundt29]

That Jacqui and Rain were the same thing?  Same species of other-than-human almost immortal?  Um, I thought that was about Jacqui's history with Rain (which could have had something to do with Pearl and Q and PC or could have had something to do with her fling with the Cavanaughs).  If Adrian's line is the Earl's line and Rain has been watching/cultivating it for...a long time (we don't know if she IS Polly or Polly's successor) then it's possible that Rain intervened somehow to push the Fling of the Half-Twins to give Patrick a better chance of furthering her agenda...whatever that is.

But unless Jacqui's adopted and Rain is her mother or aunt, I don't see her as being...whatever Rain is.

[GodWilling]

Dunno about Adrian's lineage, but Jacqui implied that she and Rain were the same thing - she said that if Adrian asked about it, she'd have to tell him (presumably because of the watch programming), but she wouldn't volunteer that on her own. It explains why she's aged so well, at least.

My reading of that page was that Jacqui and Rain have a shared history, but I didn't take that to mean they were the same. That's an interesting idea. For what it's worth I saw three possibilities:

(1) They were once lovers. But I can't see any reason why either of them wouldn't tell Adrian that.

(2) Jacqui is a former protégé of Rain - i.e. some kind of forerunner of Adrian. That might make some kind of sense.

(3) Vaguest of all, Jacqui was a protégé of a third party who was eventually put on the "right" path by Rain. But doing Rain's good works didn't work out too well for her.