Starter Marriage, Phase 4

[Daphne]

No matter what I do, the door is always unlocked. This is a fixed point it seems, much like dinner with Dante and Renee.

Lest anyone spend excessive time trying to figure this out, the door is in fact always unlocked. There are a few "bottleneck" scenes in the story that you always go through no matter what, and the current ending is one of them.

[arm7man88]

So I have yet to see anyone say this on here, if someone else did then ignore this, but I think I found how to get the ring every time. It's all about what you do during your first visit to Lorelei, when you take her to bed, go down on her first, then finger her, then fuck her. If you do this exact path I believe you will get the ring in the next phase if you excuse yourself to the bathroom every time. I haven't tried every single combination with this but my first 3 tries I did different things every time and the ring was always there as long as I did those things during sex.
Secondly, I do not believe it is possible in phase 5 to both turn Lorelei into your love slave with the ring AND turn your coworker into your love slave in the office, I have yet to get the option of visiting the coworker in the office if I pick up the ring.

[hereno]

So I have yet to see anyone say this on here, if someone else did then ignore this, but I think I found how to get the ring every time. It's all about what you do during your first visit to Lorelei

It's possible Lorelei matters, but I've found that what you do with Allison in the very beginning is the most important. Often in this game, a single result has a bunch of inputs (and so can be reached in a number of ways).

Secondly, I do not believe it is possible in phase 5 to both turn Lorelei into your love slave with the ring AND turn your coworker into your love slave in the office, I have yet to get the option of visiting the coworker in the office if I pick up the ring.

You can visit Emma if you have the ring, but you can only do so much MC in a single run. So fully MCing Lorelei would probably preclude you from getting Emma in the office, yes (although you never know with this game!).

[arm7man88]

Got it! Also, thanks a lot for your guide. Until I found your guide I had little interest in this series cause I didn't realize all the possibilities. (Even though I've been apart of this website for over 10 years now I rarely get on the forums.) But with your guide it has quickly made this arguably my favorite series on the whole site. So thanks a lot!

[hereno]

Also, thanks a lot for your guide. Until I found your guide I had little interest in this series cause I didn't realize all the possibilities. (Even though I've been apart of this website for over 10 years now I rarely get on the forums.) But with your guide it has quickly made this arguably my favorite series on the whole site. So thanks a lot!

I'm glad it was helpful! I had a feeling there'd be a bunch of players like that.

[Flintnsteal]

I'm glad it was helpful! I had a feeling there'd be a bunch of players like that.

I am definitely one of those, really appreciate all your effort.

[Haight]

You can visit Emma if you have the ring, but you can only do so much MC in a single run. So fully MCing Lorelei would probably preclude you from getting Emma in the office, yes (although you never know with this game!).

Huh? I've never seen any indication that you can " lrun out of MC."

[hereno]

You can visit Emma if you have the ring, but you can only do so much MC in a single run. So fully MCing Lorelei would probably preclude you from getting Emma in the office, yes (although you never know with this game!).

Huh? I've never seen any indication that you can " lrun out of MC."

Yeah. Say you MC Emma in the cafe; you then won't go as far as with Renee or Lorelei. But if you don't MC her in the cafe, you'll go farther with Renee and Lorelei.

Alternatively: if you want to get Emma in the office, you want to do very little MC to the other women in that chapter. If you want to get a blowjob from Emma, you have to do almost no MC to any other woman in that chapter.

You've only got so many "MC points" to spend, as it were.

[arm7man88]

Yeah, at this point I've run way too many permutations of trying to MC Lorelei at her place and Emma in the office in the same run, since those are so far my 2 favorite things in the story, and it never works.

[Haight]

Yeah. Say you MC Emma in the cafe; you then won't go as far as with Renee or Lorelei. But if you don't MC her in the cafe, you'll go farther with Renee and Lorelei.

Alternatively: if you want to get Emma in the office, you want to do very little MC to the other women in that chapter. If you want to get a blowjob from Emma, you have to do almost no MC to any other woman in that chapter.

You've only got so many "MC points" to spend, as it were.

That doesn't seem to match up to my runs at all. It's binary; either you can mind control women or not (and if you can't mind control Allison you pretty much can't mind control anybody).

[ktc1221]

That doesn't seem to match up to my runs at all. It's binary; either you can mind control women or not (and if you can't mind control Allison you pretty much can't mind control anybody).

My experience is better described like it's a limited counter than binary. I've found if you cut a women out of the equation the remaining women are more influenced by mc essentially. They'll be more subby, more compliant, more slutty etc than if you try mc on everything.

[tods1976]

My most successful runs have involved MC on Allison, Emma, Renee and Lorelei on day 4.  And if I failed to MC Allison or Emma on that day (even if I did previously)  I couldn’t MC Renee or Lorelei. I assumed the protagonist gets better the more he practices.  What I haven’t been able to do in those runs is MC Emma at the office, which is where you can get her to blow you. I’ve only gotten the chance to hypnotize her at the office when I didn’t even have the option to hypnotize Emm at  coffee and hypnotizing Renee failed or she hypnotized me. (As one of the scenarios is  that she hypnotizes you to make Emma become her client).

I haven’t tried an alley run though.

[jwik01]

The variety of directions the narrative can go continues to surprise me -- I just recently discovered a route where you don't enslave anybody, don't sleep with Lorelei, don't plan to see Annie, don't accept a blowjob from Renee, and don't make a pass at Emma, BUT the game doesn't give you a 'and you and Allison settle into domestic bliss, game over' at the close of Chapter 4.  So going into Saturday, apparent options are a) you seeing Annie while Allison goes to Renée's party, b) you seeing Annie while Allison stays home, c) you go to the party with Allison, or d) you and Allison get out of town for the weekend.

Haven't found the path I've read about here, where you hypnotize Emma into contacting Renée (is there a route to get Emma to agree to attending the party?), and I haven't sussed out a route to Renée hypnotizing you at the coffee shop, got it once but can't seem to find it again.

[Icarus]

(is there a route to get Emma to agree to attending the party?)

There sure is 

[Icarus]

I’ve really given it the old college try, but does anyone have a path where you get Renee to MC you and you get her card to use on Emma? It’s the one outcome I can’t seem to work out.