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« on: April 26, 2018, 07:03:10 am »

When are you add to New  topic that After the Show 2 will be post on the Calendar May 30
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2018, 01:13:24 am »

Art here is excellent. Cucking angle... ehhh...

I could repeat myself but here you go.

Honestly reconsidering my subscription to this site with the way it's been going with an increasing number of stories.
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2018, 06:05:22 am »

Well, let's talk about this!

First, I hate to be pedant (<- this is a lie, she loves to be pedantic) but "cucking" has a specific meaning as a term of art in porn, which is: The humiliation of a man by his partner wanting and having sex with another man (generally, a more "virile" man by some definition), with degrading comparisons to the first man's sexual ability. It also has some racial undertones, and has acquired some really unfortunately political connotations.

This doesn't mean you have to like this comic, it just means what is going on isn't "cucking."

As a writer, it would be a bit complex to set every comic in the Universe of Hot Women Who Don't Have Boyfriends. I just write what I like, and it would be paralyzing for me to write only the things I think I will get no complaints on the Forum... everything gets a complaint from someone.

So, I guess I'm still not 100% what theme you find objectionable. To be clear, you like what you like and what turns you on turns you on, but I'm not sure what I would specifically avoid writing to avoid hitting your "not hot" button here.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2018, 09:07:33 am »

Or speaking in manga terms, there’s no hardcore NTR here. No, "Check me out fucking your girl! See how much happier she is with my dick inside her?" I’m not really a fan of that dynamic either. At worst what we’re getting is the healthy version of cuckholding. “Enormous Boobs” still loves him and he clearly enjoys hearing about her theoretical escapades. Don’t know if that’s because he’s been hypnotized to, but the result is the same and she’s not lording it over him in a humiliating fashion.

As to the broader climate on the site of late...

Adrian is clearly a stud in every sense of the word, but there simply aren’t enough hours in the day to give that good, good lovin’ to a harem that large. And a goodly portion of them are lesbian-leaning anyway, so what’s the harm in a few getting some dick on the side? Though I guess Reka has taken a turn down one alley off Cucking Street...

Roll Playing is basically Participation Required Swinging, which plays with the same dynamics, but features a lot more quid pro quo.

There was The End of the Affair, but that was A: more cheating than cucking, B: a bonus, and C: more than made up for by the art.

Yeah, Inventor-san in Audiophilia is having wives and girlfriends perform booty calls, but in secret and I imagine the upside in sexual agreeableness far outweighs the occasional cheating incident for those men.

Fantasy World took a weird turn recently, but that was just that: weird.

There was that incident in Chrysalis, but that guy was an abusive, asshole stalker.

I guess The Inspector kinda counts, but again there’s no implicit how humiliation ~on the page~

Please don’t read this as me ganging up on you. We’re all entitled to feel the fuck out of our feeling, especially in fetish land. However, a more erudite articulation of the problem you’re seeing would be helpful. In the end, you may have a point that there have been more cucking-adjacent plots recently that feature one form of cheating or another, but I’m sympathetic to Daphne’s plight of trying to stay fresh and creative X-years in.


P.S. If you want to see what it’s like when Daphne writes actual cucking, give Indiscretion a read over on the EMCSA. Again, I don’t particularly care for that dynamic, but I *loved* that story because it was damn fine mind control.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2018, 10:15:05 am »

In broader terms, this site has attracted a large enough audience that a wide range of tastes are now represented. As a good businesswoman, Daphne must be thinking about catering to a diverse set of desires. Or to put it another way: she could write basically anything, and enough people will like it to justify it. I was (and am) in the "I don't like Gig Economy" camp, but was surprised to see how many people came to its defense. We're just at a point where everything will have a decent number of supporters.

Maybe I should have said this over on that thread, but I was stunned by the Aphrodisiac Poll result. The entire point of mind control is the control part, right? But according to the results of that poll, apparently a lot of people don't agree. At which point, I do wonder, in a very real sense, if we share the same fetish. I can't presume to know what Daphne will write next, but I would guess that after that poll, we're going to start seeing some non-control-oriented stories. Which makes me a sad panda.

So we all came to this site to get "what we're into," but as it turns out, we're each into something more different than I think we realized. I loved both issues of After the Show, but some people really pushed back on it. I'm not into FD at all, but some people want more of it. Apparently people are ok with stories without control/submission at all, which makes no sense to me. What is Daphne to do with all that?

Just write stuff she likes, I guess.

Probably enormous boobs.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2018, 10:19:25 am »

Just write stuff she likes, I guess.

Probably enormous boobs.

That's pretty much it.

Really, though, it's hard to come up with a plan that includes everyone's subfetish all the time. I write (or get scripts of) what I think is hot, and kind of hope it works.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2018, 01:27:32 pm »

The second issue of this story was really great, and the concept is becoming apparent--an Erotic Hypnosis version of Scheherazade, thankfully without the prospect of being murdered if she fails to hold her husband's interest.  (Not that she has a problem holding her husband's interest--she does quite well in that regard.) 

Like everyone else, I like the art in this feature.  Maxx, whoever that person might be, does a really great job drawing beautiful busty women and depicting them having sex.  (Not too keen on them wearing jewelry, though--necklaces and such tend to get in the way of titfucking and blowjobs, as far as I'm concerned.)

I look forward to the next issue--may it come soon.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2018, 02:04:10 pm »

The second issue of this story was really great, and the concept is becoming apparent--an Erotic Hypnosis version of Scheherazade, thankfully without the prospect of being murdered if she fails to hold her husband's interest.  (Not that she has a problem holding her husband's interest--she does quite well in that regard.) 

Like everyone else, I like the art in this feature.  Maxx, whoever that person might be, does a really great job drawing beautiful busty women and depicting them having sex.  (Not too keen on them wearing jewelry, though--necklaces and such tend to get in the way of titfucking and blowjobs, as far as I'm concerned.)

I look forward to the next issue--may it come soon.

Seconded!
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2018, 02:10:19 pm »

When did the red head become the HR manager's sex slave??

When did she attend the magicians show and become his slave too, will she have more stories to tell, I hope so, really enjoying this series and the art work by Maxx is of course OUTSTANDING!!
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2018, 05:58:03 pm »

Tried putting this in collapse tags because I think the discussion is moving far enough away from After the Show that I don't want to threadcrap, but it seemed that they weren't enabled. Happy to discuss this on another thread if that's where it goes.

First, I hate to be pedant (<- this is a lie, she loves to be pedantic) but "cucking" has a specific meaning as a term of art in porn, which is: The humiliation of a man by his partner wanting and having sex with another man (generally, a more "virile" man by some definition), with degrading comparisons to the first man's sexual ability. It also has some racial undertones, and has acquired some really unfortunately political connotations.

This is true, though in the context of what is being presented to the reader, I think it's enough that the man in question is having things happen in his relationship that would be seen as humiliating if he wasn't mind controlled to not be humiliated. And for mind control fetishists, competence at mind control can be a signifer for virility, sexual ability, and so on.

As a writer, it would be a bit complex to set every comic in the Universe of Hot Women Who Don't Have Boyfriends. I just write what I like, and it would be paralyzing for me to write only the things I think I will get no complaints on the Forum... [em]everything[/em] gets a complaint from [em]someone[/em].

I agree. It's when the focus is on the emotional context of a controller defeating another man by gaining access to, or taking, his partner via mind control, that I want to check out. Sex and sexuality as dominance games between heterosexual men using women as game pieces is just a turnoff. If it's in the context of enthusiastic swinging/hotwifing, I don't mind, usually, and that can even be exciting. But central to this narrative is the idea that the woman's partner is unaware of her exploits, so it's at least eroticizing the act of being unfaithful and could be considered "cucking" based on what I wrote above.

So, I guess I'm still not 100% what theme you find objectionable. To be clear, you like what you like and what turns you on turns you on, but I'm not sure what I would specifically avoid writing to avoid hitting your "not hot" button here.

So there's a lot of stories on the site that have unfaithfulness as a theme. I'm fond of By the Book, *in spite* of the main character's use of a hypnotized woman as a way to get at her would-be mind controller, but in that story the characters have very little positive emotional regard for each other besides sexual attraction, so it isn't something that comes off as worrying. Daffyd in THK is mind controlling a married woman, but my impression of the series so far is that he's being slowly pushed to darker and darker moral places, so it comes off as something that *should* be worrying/carry a negative emotional connotation within the story. In Bigger, the main character's an ass, his wife isn't the nicest person either, and neither's his boss, so it doesn't seem like anyone's really being taken advantage of. In After the Show, the main character and her bf are shown as having a happy relationship, with a positive emotional context, and then the series exults in the eroticism of her cheating on him without his knowledge, as well as being mind controlled into being amenable to said cheating (though she still isn't found out).

It's worth noting that this particular hangup that I, and I know plenty of other people(men), have, comes with the caveat that it's incredibly biased in terms of sex. Women who are mind controlled into being accepting or enthusiastic about their partner sleeping with other people is hot, men who are mind controlled into being so is a turnoff. Men who are already enthusiastic or accepting of their partner sleeping with others can be fun. What can I say, it's how I tick. So I'm not saying it's *objectively* wrong on any level. But I've seen plenty of other erotic projects and media veer into cucking/cheating kink after setting up a premise that doesn't seem to imply that, to the detriment of my own enjoyment and the audience's numbers. and my own personal perception is that it seems to be more and more common on this site. Maybe I'm wrong, I haven't literally counted.

SJI is a particular case because Erin and Adrian have a complicated, if (in their words) loving, relationship, and Erin's extrarelational activities are not caused by mental influence, but rather a need to recharge some kind of sexual magical battery or just a natural proclivity for polyamorous relationships. But it seems to exult in the emotional negativity that comes along with such a situation, and Adrian doesn't really seem to address or bring up his own issues, while remaining quietly troubled by the whole thing. It's very much a focus on Erin. And at the same time she's seemingly trying to manipulate Reka to be emotionally unfaithful to Weston, so it's kind of doubling down on the issue (I'm one of the few people on the site who doesn't think Weston is the devil, apparently. And mind controlling Reka away from a loving boyfriend wouldn't be a good thing for her, either). If Adrian had been down for the foursome, I don't think it would have bothered me in the same way.

In broader terms, this site has attracted a large enough audience that a wide range of tastes are now represented. As a good businesswoman, Daphne must be thinking about catering to a diverse set of desires.

Yes, but if we were to go broader, we'd leave the realm of mind control kink altogether. At a certain point it becomes too wide of a net to interest someone who cares about one specific thing.

Maybe I should have said this over on that thread, but I was stunned by the Aphrodisiac Poll result. The entire point of mind control is the control part, right? But according to the results of that poll, apparently a lot of people don't agree. At which point, I do wonder, in a very real sense, if we share the same fetish. I can't presume to know what Daphne will write next, but I would guess that after that poll, we're going to start seeing some non-control-oriented stories. Which makes me a sad panda.

I disagree, in that I think controlling someone's libido is *definitely* a form of control over that person. It's just that increasing it is typically way sexier than diminishing it.

I'm not into FD at all, but some people want more of it.

I'm into MD as well as FD with female subs... but at a certain point people who want Female Dominant/Male Submissive mind control stories and people who want Male Dominant/Female Submissive (or just female submissive) stories will end up having conflicting opinions about what's hot. There's a lot of content on here, but there's probably more people who are into Male Dominant stories. So it would make sense to have more Male Dom (or just FemSub) stories. But for someone who *is* into FemDom MC, it wouldn't really be worth it to subscribe to a site where, say, only 25% of the content is actually turning them on. I'm more in the "you shouldn't try to please everybody, or else you might end up pleasing nobody" camp, but then again I work in a field where hyperspecialization is the name of the game.

Just write stuff she likes, I guess.

I definitely think that writing what turns you on allows the inspiration to flow. I write erotica but mostly on sites like chyoa or fiction.live where it's more interactive, but I focus on the stuff that I enjoy. I figure other people will focus on what *they* like. Sometimes I wonder how universal the mind control kink is, though, especially when it's a woman writing for what I'm guessing is a primarily male audience. In an example of a woman being mind controlled by a third party to mind control her man into being accepting (or even enthusiastic) of her unfaithfulness, where is the heat? Are we supposed to be identifying with the male mind controller, influencing this other man to adapt his own relationship to serve our needs? For me, this lacks heat because it's eroticizing a man dominating another man, and not even in the bedroom, but in terms of status. So the woman isn't even involved, the heat is supposed to come from the mind controller "beating" another man? I think I'd honestly be more likely to enjoy a well-written story of a man directly mind controlling another man into sex, and I'm a straight dude. Are we supposed to be identifying with the woman, both submitting to an external party and dominating someone who we're in theory close to to be accepting of our infidelity, and get off on the domination of our partner? Are we supposed to identify as the male being hypnotized, getting off on submitting both to our partner and to the whims of another man who's more dominant by virtue of the power of his hypnosis? Several different kinds of squick for me. Or are we just supposed to find the situation hot without identifying with any of the characters? This situation doesn't do it for me. But if Daphne likes it, and her audience likes it, that's great. I just can't be part of that audience.

Probably enormous boobs.

Well I'm definitely down for that. Probably well after others think it's passed the point of ridiculousness.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2018, 06:26:29 pm »

it's eroticizing a man dominating another man, and not even in the bedroom, but in terms of status.

Power fantasy! And I love it love it love it. I really like After the Show for exactly this reason. So, yeah, I'm totally identifying with the controller.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2018, 06:35:50 pm »

When did the red head become the HR manager's sex slave??

When did she attend the magicians show and become his slave too, will she have more stories to tell, I hope so, really enjoying this series and the art work by Maxx is of course OUTSTANDING!!
I assume it's the same redhead who also volunteered for the show (part1 page2) and also then became a member of the hypnotist's harem (part1 final page). Perhaps it was the HR manager who targeted them in the first place by providing free tickets.
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2018, 06:37:38 pm »

Power fantasy! And I love it love it love it. I really like After the Show for exactly this reason. So, yeah, I'm totally identifying with the controller.

Ah. Our tastes must vary a lot more than it appears.
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2018, 06:40:06 pm »

it's eroticizing a man dominating another man, and not even in the bedroom, but in terms of status.

Power fantasy! And I love it love it love it. I really like After the Show for exactly this reason. So, yeah, I'm totally identifying with the controller.

Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power. (Oscar Wilde)
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2018, 10:31:15 pm »

For me, part of the control fantasy is the ability of the controller to get women who would be otherwise unavailable -- and one of the ways a woman can be unavailable is already being in a monogamous relationship with someone else.  So there is heat in the controller using his ability to overcome that obstacle, but the heat comes from the overcoming, not the specific humiliation of the other man.  In fact, humiliation is a turn-off.  I'd prefer to see the other man controlled into not noticing his partner's unfaithfulness, or into not caring, or into accepting a break-up, rather than into being aware but unable to interfere, if that makes any sense.  Which it probably does not, since fetishes are weird.
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