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The aftermath of that kiss, huh?  Should be very VERY interesting.

That what look like to me
and see it is 15 min.

I wonder who she's thinking of, mmmm?

sorry but I can not make the photo pop up
so no photo

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Fixed.

Oh NO!!!!!! >:( >:(. NOT WESTON!!!! >:( :( :o

ARGH!!!!!   >:(  >:( ::)

If it's Reka, please let it be Reka without her parasite!

I honestly do not understand the hate Weston gets.

From me, you mean?  He's inextricably linked to a very bad roll of Destiny's Dice.  He's been on the make in spite of having a girlfriend (sort of Coates' problem without his solution), and his first appearance onstage, he looks and acts like a Cavalier version of Prince Charming from Shrek.  His attitude afterwards strengthened that impression rather than tearing it down.  Ugh.

ETA--which is why I spend part of the time when he shows up waiting for one of the women he talks to to head-butt him and break his nose when he's leaning in for a swoon and a kiss.

Why do Adrian have to be the good guy?
Have sex with her?
then Who?
Q- Dad

I can't actually think of a time that Weston leaned in to kiss a woman as a way of saying hello. In fact, it's really Réka who has been doing most of the hitting-on that we've seen.

Sorry.  Yes, for most of the interaction with Pearl, he's let Reka drive and that cast-party, Reka was the one to make a move on Erin.

I'm afraid the combination of his "God's Gift" act between scenes at rehearsal when we first met him, combined with his look (as I already described) and his crucial role in the first Snake Eyes of the Destiny Dice set a very VERY negative opinion of him for me, and he hasn't actively improved enough to erase that.  To make matters worse, he was present for a sexy scene with Pearl we haven't seen yet that without him there, would certainly cater to my tastes, I might even consider it a Splash Page to rival anything we've seen so far (given how magnificent Pearl's rump is).  And I'm exceptionally bitter that he's there like a turd in the party punchbowl, even before we see that scene.  In fact, I'm okay if we never see that scene because he's THERE.  Moodkiller Hartley.

I'm with you on this one, Daphne. Completely nonplussed.

I'm not sure I know what event you are referring to here.

Look, I understand I'm in the minority here.  But you'll notice--I was just as hard on Coates until his wife came home and was basically..."oh, honey, you shouldn't have.  My favorite!" and joined right in.  That scene whether it was influenced by the belltower or not made his behavior colorable.  Weston's presence in the first Snake Eyes of Destiny tolls against him, and how he presented himself when we first saw him between scenes at rehearsal tolls against him...heavily.  We see that he plays with Reka and accepts her decisions, but the fact that he was "wooing for himself" at rehearsal and that his success could be a factor in Fugly Future #1 is damaging.

Snake Eyes of Destiny--the first guest page has Adrian back with his ex, broke, both of them miserable, and the entire world has the sort of chemical Sound of Thunder taint.  And Erin is working out her rage over whatever happened to bring them to this pass by performing vehement classic plays and originals under Weston's direction--and given what we know of his proclivities, it's a small hop to believe they're together.  That's Fugly Future #1.  It's HORRIBLE.  Now Snake Eyes #2 is the Heartbreak of Pyrrhic Victory.  Adrian defeats Jakob, but it costs Erin's life and Adrian's health and Adrian is so shattered that if he had to do it over again, he'd have let Jakob win just to keep Erin alive.  #1 is not as bad as #2, but it is a future to be avoided.

To be fair, you are not the only person who dislikes actors. :)

No one is required to like or dislike any character, of course; it's a mortal sin for an author to instruct readers what they should think about individual people, and whether or not one likes someone has very little to do with their actual behavior.

He makes my flesh crawl a bit but I don't really know why. It can't just be the beard.

I don't dislike ALL actors.  I dislike THIS actor.  Oh, and I went spelunking in the Calendar and I think what I'm referring to is Guest Page #12 posted March 2, 2013.  Adrian and Echo are back together.  Broke.  Fighting.  Miserable.  Erin is starring in angry plays with Weston and given how he was after her when we met him, it wasn't any stretch to believe they might be "together."  That's just ugly.  And as I said.  Pearl has a glorious ass and a hidden fetish for being spanked.  Watching her and Reka enjoy that while they were buzzed and horny would be one of the most delicious splash page I could imagine...if they were alone (even if I think it would be cooler with a different participant).  However, with Weston there as Lucky Dog/Disloyal Peacock, the tableau is ruined.  Not as bad as having one of the Kuppler brothers laughing maniacally in the corner, but close.

They kissed, which is in the play. It went on a bit longer than it might have. It takes two to tango. I'm starting to see both Weston and Réka as the sort of satellites Erin was used to having.

I think it's safe to assume that Erin would not protract a kiss that she was not enjoying. :)

Weston's kind of a goober, it's true, but I don't see anything sinister about him. He's a guy who likes the ladies. You can't really blame him for 'following his dreams' in a college town with apparently a fairly vibrant hookup culture, while he's in college. Since Adrian isn't aggressively staking his claim on his harem, it's only natural that some of these ungodly beautiful women who've been MCed to a simmering heat of libido are going to look for some action elsewhere. While I prefer sort of 'possessive' harems where the women are exclusive to one man, freer love can be pretty hot too.

My money is on Reka and not Weston though, since Dani's been doing the programming, and she's been in Adrian's corner on the harem thing from the beginning. Reading over the comics, I'm actually not sure if Adrian is in the know about it, though - he did go up to get her, and she's still rubbing her eyes on the way down, and Adrian's got a bit of a smirk in 369.

Maybe my initial read was so annoying that I just confabulated stuff to justify my view.  But I thought it was the kiss, then cut, cheesy overconfident pickup line, then phone call.

Yes, a goober.  But guys who start out as chasers or goobers or minor self-important annoyances in the SJI-verse tend to metastasize.  Look what happened to Vik.  He went from ominous but harmless nerd to desperate nutball in less than two days.  In the John Hughes universe, Weston would be a guy good looking enough to carry off John Kapelos' attitude in Sixteen Candles and stupid/self-confident enough to try it.  Or Robert Downey Jr. in Weird Science, etc.

Not necessarily evil, but truly annoying and made even more annoying by their almost bizarre self-confidence.  These are characters who I wait for the Piano of Karma to fall on or the divine boot to kick in the butt so they'll leave.  And Weston has been...exceptionally fortunate so far.

Maybe I veer too hard the other way, but the 'all men are devils except for our MC protagonist' presupposition just seems weird to me. Like I said, big harems of women MCed to be exclusive to one man are hot, but I don't put myself so much in the MC protag's shoes that I see other men as competition and thus worth despising.

I was hoping Sawyer and his bodyguard were good guys.  For about a hundred episodes, I was convinced that they WERE good guys.  Guess not.  And that sort of sours the impending feature night with Jacqui and Dani which should be one of this comic's most hotly anticipated spectacles.  Instead....ah, damn!  Oh well...

The other aspect to this is that mystery is at the heart of SJI. Adrian is a just an ordinary decent guy? Well, maybe. But we've never known that for sure because we don't know anything about him. It turns out he has a link to the New York harem through Echo. And he has a link by parentage to (possibly) Rain's promise. So it's not clear to us exactly what his motives are.

Maybe Weston is just a goofball. But that scene with Erin kissing Réka while Weston looks on... Is he a mind controller? Every bugger else is, why shouldn't he be? I'd hardly be surprised if someone we've no reason to mistrust in this thing turns out to be a traitor or a villain. I know I'm looking for mystery where there is none. But that's inevitable, I think.

He doesn't seem to know about Rain or her promise, even if he is the current instrument of her centuries' old oath.  It seems that the incident that set him to wandering is tied to the New York Harem, but it seems that he was one of a largely nameless group of family members and jilted significant others who were tangential collateral damage to Jakob's appetites and the programming of his harem.  I don't think that makes him nefarious.  But it would be interesting to find out if Jakob deliberately set out to target the Cavanaughs because of his history in at Wilmot.

The following is not canon, but I love this quote so much I have to drop it here: For me, it was Tuesday (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButForMeItWasTuesday).

Entirely possible.  And a very satisfying way to approach this.  However, Jakob seems to have been craving the kind of existence, the kind of fulfillment that had been accidentally created for Patrick and Miel before he got there.  Just as Claudia's quest for Dani accidentally triggered a better existence for Adrian and the SJI gals that would be the envy of those who were pursuing their own aims when they accidentally helped to created it.

Daphne, by 'not canon' do you mean that Jakob didn't literally say 'it was Tuesday' or that you're not confirming that Adrian's original troubles were merely collateral damage?

For all we know, Adrian *could* know about Rain's promise. We still don't know what went down in that first conversation with Rain, and we still don't know what kind of music she's teaching him.

The latter. Don't read anything into the quote either way.

Fun note, when Chun Li got her own terrible movie, her father (or was he a foster father) was Bison's specific target because of his knowledge and technical expertise.  So, they went the completely opposite route.

Also, Julia played that scene as if

1. Bison is lying, trying to reinforce his own delusion, and
2. Just uttering the words made him seem like a prancing weak dipshit utterly unworthy of her time.

In this particular case, Jakob seems like a much more formidable foe, and it could be pure coincidence--but it's a cruel irony...for him, that type of fulfillment and satisfaction he can't find is right under his nose and he never saw it the first time and

His machinations produced a situation and person able to achieve what he sought by a completely different path.  Interesting.

Are you saying it isn't Tuesday...?


My point wasn't that Adrian is clearly a villain. It was that we've never known for sure that he's a decent guy. And similarly Weston is an unknown quantity. In the absence of "Bad Guy" signs above certain characters' heads, I'm suspicious of all the characters we meet. And that scene with the kiss was decidedly intriguing...

Just demonstrating that the dialogue and performance of that scene don't match.  That's all.  Also, I'm trying to attribute a goal to this asshole to humanize him.  Why?  To make him a more interesting villain.  Does he need to be more interesting?  Maybe not.

Well, remember that Julia was extremely ill at the time, and made that movie because his kids begged him to (sniff). It wasn't his best performance ever.

I've seen him in Presumed Innocent.  I know he had real chops.  What I meant was, that version of Bison is much more akin to...um, Borat...than an all-powerful evil dictator.  So, the dialogue can have iconic meaning, but in the movie it just shows him more the fool.

Gomez Addams will always be my favorite role of his. :)

I hear that a lot.  I confess I've never understood why.  Neither the animated series (succeeding the TV show) nor the live-action cinematic adaptation clicked with me.  It wasn't a bad performance, just not my taste.

"Miriam.  Stop.

GODDAMMIT.

Vidor--Perfect and succinct way of expressing the thought process of probably 99% of the readership of this comic (including me) reading that panel.>:(

 Well, as frustrating as his demonstration of restraint was...the thought bubble over her head near the end infuriated me.

However, at this moment, I believe we can just shred various convoluted theories of nefarious intent on Adrian's part.  So, that's something at least.