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Title: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: Daphne on October 26, 2014, 12:50:39 pm
Tuesday, october 28th!


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: laguna85 on October 26, 2014, 03:13:33 pm
Airport ?
tunnel?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: jmundt29 on October 27, 2014, 01:29:11 pm
Either an incident at the airport, or an electrical situation with the transmitter.  Probably the airport or Johannes flying in, which is too bad.  Things are so much more interesting on campus right now.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: mns_95125 on October 27, 2014, 04:11:05 pm
Major Tom?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: Haight on October 28, 2014, 12:05:48 am
Welp... we'll see if little miss mc mishap can pull her way out of this one.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: jmundt29 on October 28, 2014, 07:05:24 am
Damn!  It!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Maybe she could kick it out of his hand next and break his nose.  Then turn around and use it on Cherry.  What's that? ??? Of course not? ::) ::) ::) Thought so.  Damn it. ::) >:(


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: mns_95125 on October 28, 2014, 07:36:47 am
Caitlin does seem to be a magnet for this sort of thing.  Alex and Katie (twice), Yves, now this.  She's on a roll!


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: jmundt29 on October 28, 2014, 07:48:31 am
She was also Derek's first subject.  And, one of the gals "liberated" by Adrian's hypnocock...idea.  This happens to her a LOT.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: GodWilling on October 28, 2014, 11:44:05 am
As an SJI harem member it's the encounters with Alex, Alex (again), and now (possibly) Julian that mark her out. So hopefully this is, erm, three for three.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: Haight on October 28, 2014, 02:22:49 pm
I still never understood why exactly Derek's girls went along with the 'hypnocock' thing.

As far as this goes, Caitlyn just seems really, really susceptible to this sort of thing. Perhaps she's in to it?

I seem to remember her as expressing an interest in politics at some point. The idea of her as a high-powered government figure who just can't wait to give up control in private... well, I'm looking forward to the future of this comic. Here's hoping she can get out of her current pickle, though, and get back to the master she belongs with.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: laguna85 on October 28, 2014, 02:29:57 pm
Caitlyn
Caitlyn was Dr. Zeon Cimaszeweki One of subject and use the crystal on her
Derek's use hypno Trans code word
then watch
Pink cloud two time
Julian going use the crystal too
she going be a love slave?




Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: jmundt29 on October 28, 2014, 03:18:40 pm
I keep hoping she'll kick out and either wreck his crotch or break his nose; Cherry will react, dropping Cait's arms, and as Julian folds up, Cait catches the crystal.  By the time Cherry reacts, Cait has the crystal in front of her face--and at LONG LAST karmic payback for all the awfulness that is and has been Cherry.  The fleeting, dying hope of the desperate.

Hopefully, someone will show up to obliterate Julian before he can take advantage of Caitlyn.*grumbles*


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: mns_95125 on October 28, 2014, 08:59:10 pm
As far as this goes, Caitlyn just seems really, really susceptible to this sort of thing. Perhaps she's in to it?

She may just be reckless.  The first time she got zapped, by Alex at Sawyers, was probably just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  But the second time at the grocery store, and now at the airport, she went up to people she knew were involved with mind control, took no precautions, and paid the price.  In the SJI-verse that's just reckless.

It isn't clear whether the crystal can overpower the Watch, though.  Julian's control may be limited to things that don't conflict with the Watch programming.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: laguna85 on October 29, 2014, 10:52:33 am

It isn't clear whether the crystal can overpower the Watch, though.  Julian's control may be limited to things that don't conflict with the Watch programming.
The crystal ball may small then the Watch crystal
we can go back to Amy SJI - 240 with pink cloud and them the ring SJI- 254 took control of Amy
the ring have the same crystal as the watch but smaller

I would say that the Crystal ball will take control


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: jmundt29 on October 29, 2014, 01:42:48 pm
Do we have an origin on this thing?  It seems to have passed from Jakob to Zenon (through Claudia) and back to Julian (who is ostensibly working for Jakob).  But Jakob can't make anything, and it seems to be different from the shell-looking crystals (and, therefore, unlikely to be composed of or containing shell shards) that are at the center of the Kearsage plot.  So, who cut this crystal and why?  And how did Jakob get it in the first place? ???

ETA--This post has been edited to the appropriate K brother.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: mns_95125 on October 29, 2014, 02:58:57 pm
I think you're mixing up Jakob and Johannes.  We know Jakob had the crystal at one point because he used it on Pearl.  We know Zenon had it later, that Zenon was working for Claudia, and that Claudia was also part of Jakob's harem.  It seems likely that Zenon got the crystal from Claudia, who gained control of it after Jakob vanished.

Cherry and Julian then stole it from Zenon when they burgled his office, apparently on behalf of Jakob's brother Johannes.  They have it now and seem about to hand it over to him, along with Caitlyn as a free toy surprise.

My understanding was that the crystal got its power from a broken shell fragment, while the Watch is built around a whole one.  That's why I think the Watch trumps the crystal if they go head to head.  We think Danielle made the Watch.  As far as I know the origin of the crystal and the shells remains a mystery.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: Haight on October 29, 2014, 04:29:32 pm
Dani said they have 'circuits' in them, I think. Which implies that they're made post-wwii, and therefore in emulation of Wilmot's coat of arms rather than the other way around. Unless they're, like, alien artifacts recovered from Atlantis or something. Rain *might* be a minor Greek goddess, and obviously there's magic and witchcraft in the SJI universe, so my first thought for the shells was that they were magical (though I guess they could be both; 'magitech').

One of my other burning questions is if the rubies in BR are made of the same stuff. Though, obviously, that would somewhat obviate the current conflict in Kearsarge if they can be simply manufactured.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: GodWilling on October 29, 2014, 06:07:46 pm
First off, I should say that the last panel here is great and that even if for some reason the pendant doesn't work on Caitlyn - and even the trigger doesn't work any more when Derek turns up - then at least we've got that panel to conjure with.

My reading of 311 was that Dani was pondering who might have been able to make the circuitry, then she saw the Kuppler boxes, and made the connection, which is what led to her contacting Johannes in the first place.

It appears (say in 333) that we have the scallops being referred to both as scallops and crystals. But as well as being called "the pendant", the object Julian is deploying here appears also to have been referred to as a (or the) crystal. Unlike everything else in the story, it's a bit confusing.

In 333 Miriam said that Jakob used a piece of the broken scallop in the pendant, and Dani (we think) butted in to say that he didn't make the pendant. That possibly suggests that it was Dani who made the pendant, as well as the watch.

Perhaps jmundt is deliberately confusing Jakob and Johannes to draw attention to what Caitlyn says here?

The conversation at the end of 321 suggests that having "the boss" around is problematic for Cherry and Julian. It appeared in 317 that Johannes's secretary is a plant feeding information to someone who knows Jakob isn't dead. If that's Jakob himself then she's effectively working for both brothers. Is the same true of Cherry and Julian?

(And is it significant that their initials are C & J? That beat-up plane that Dani's working on is just like the one Jakob disappeared in. Chuck and Jeane are possibly just hired hands...)


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 343: Ground Control.
Post by: jmundt29 on October 30, 2014, 07:35:58 am
Actually, I didn't register Cherry's attempt at subterfuge and conflated the names.  How similar are these two twerps--and why would Cherry try to legitimize her presence by claiming to work for Johannes?  Weird.  One would have thought that Caitlyn would have heard about Johannes (and Jakob, for that matter) for the first time from Adrian...or at best, from Dani recounting her experiences (or pieces of them).  Yet her comment seems to indicate she's familiar with at least one brother herself.  Which means...WHAT?!!  This whole time, we've been assuming that Zenon's patient list was an imperfect coordinated grid search for Dani and The Watch (though how coordinated anything can be relying on Derek is an open question).  Is that not the case?  This is especially troubling because Cait is a freshman at Wilmot.

So, we know Jakob is hopeless at creating.  Does Johannes have these skills?  If neither brother has such skills, how and why were they turned on to the scallop crystals in the first place.  Johannes looks a little young to have been a subject or researcher in the Happy College experiment of '83 (unless he's also a Bowflex model or genetically gifted like Jacqui).

If there's a connection point between Jakob's crystal bauble (the one that Zenon was using) and the shells, I can't see it yet.  The bauble seems to be made of different material than the shells which are in the transmitter.