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Title: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: Daphne on January 12, 2014, 10:00:52 am
Tuesday, January 14th!


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: laguna85 on January 12, 2014, 11:47:41 am
will be like installment SJI- 51?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: jmundt29 on January 12, 2014, 02:33:14 pm
Much as delaying on a cliffhanger might be frustrating, an expanded roster with loyalties and affiliations might be helpful long-term.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: GodWilling on January 12, 2014, 05:43:32 pm
The title seems to lead so logically on from Cherry telling Marliese that she's a fan of hers that it seems almost unthinkable that the story will too.

Thinking more laterally... albeit along lines I've already outlined here recently...

Cherry appears to know about all of Erin's harem sisters. If this knowledge has been obtained by magic then is Cherry really Cherry, or is she merely a conjured-up copy?

And, well, twins are copies too...



Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: Haight on January 12, 2014, 06:24:48 pm
Cherry might also know things in the sense that when the Devil shows up in a story, he tends to know who's who. 


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: jmundt29 on January 13, 2014, 11:27:27 am
Yeah, but Cherry seems to be the accomplice of the driver,  not his mistress.  Also, she seems more solid than the cosmetics twins, and I don't see how she could be the magical manifestation of the anger of one of the Honeywells.  Not really sure where you're trying to head there, GW.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: GodWilling on January 13, 2014, 02:32:51 pm
Yeah, but Cherry seems to be the accomplice of the driver,  not his mistress.  Also, she seems more solid than the cosmetics twins, and I don't see how she could be the magical manifestation of the anger of one of the Honeywells.  Not really sure where you're trying to head there, GW.

They're two different ideas about what 'copy' could refer to. And as I say, they both just happen to be ideas I've tossed into the ring recently.

1) Cherry may not actually be the real Cherry but a clever magician pretending to be her (i.e. a copy).

2) Amy and Hayley are twins - and thus copies. I'm ashamed to say that it only really occurred to me that this might actually turn out to be relevant to the plot when one of them went missing.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: mns_95125 on January 14, 2014, 12:10:57 am
Well, that revelation makes Vik a more likely villain in my mind.  If Amy broke up with him and he refused to accept it, he'd have a motive to develop Pink Clouds on his own.  Perhaps the business with Alex and Katie was a test run of some kind?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: GodWilling on January 14, 2014, 12:49:36 am
Certainly an interesting episode. The Vik revelation explains the level of his antipathy towards Adrian too. But the implication would surely be that he knowingly gave Kanti to Q (86), which would make him a real villain. It may also suggest a longer-standing relationship between Vik and Q than they've admitted to. Which might explain how he got to Pink Clouds in the first place. And just what did he do with Laura while she was under?

I can't work out if Marliese's expression in panel 3 is hinting that Cherry's made a mistake.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: Haight on January 14, 2014, 02:47:57 am
I think it has more to do with the fact that the term 'gold star lesbian' means a lesbian who's never slept with a guy, and Marliese can't count herself as one of those anymore.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: laguna85 on January 14, 2014, 03:36:57 am
So Vik found the pink cloud after the hoilydays (Sij-83), a good doctor had Amy under control from Oct,
We found out that Suggestibility is about one to four minutes (SIJ-221) and may last Hour, days, and weeks.
Now found that Vik Need the Pink cloud to make Amy his and maybe the folks may not like his pick of wife.

So we know that Marliese write book about Lesbian Love. So that Mallory may be husband to Marliese

than also that Cherry and Erin are Lover?
That Erin may have Three or more lovers.
Himm this get very good.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: Werdna on January 14, 2014, 07:11:47 am
At this point I'm wondering if Vikram is not so much "evil" as "crazy" and "self-delusional".  When he saw Adrian with Amy at the restaurant he certainly seemed surprised, and had a bit of a monologue rationalizing things to himself about how he was never sure it would last, etc. 

On the 'good news' front, however, Laura is now aware of Vik's deception here - how he for months thought he was going out with Amy.  I wonder if the reason Amy broke up with him in October was because of Derek's influence, now that I think about it.

Which further might explain Vik's actions - I mean, his motive could be that if Derek and Adrian get harems of hot mind-controlled sex slaves, why not him?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: jmundt29 on January 14, 2014, 07:38:34 am
I would go with self-delusional.  A hot, smart girl he really liked and dated for awhile broke up with him in October and then after stewing for a month and a half on his own, he had to go home and listen to his relatives pester him about getting married.  So, when he returned, he decided to go out on a date with Amy to try to rekindle something and tell her how he really feels about her and then...The Watch and PC dashed his castles in the air.

I...can't see Vik doing anything to Laura during her blackout because he seems to

1. Really care about his sister, and
2. Not like Q AT ALL when this arc started.

Even if he were ambivalent about his sister's safety with an untested MC perfume, I can't see him knowingly and voluntarily putting Kanti at Q's mercy.

The layers of that sort of denial make interesting elements for the birth of a supervillain.

I could even see Vik as Blue Gloves targeting Amy to set up an impromptu engagement party, but I can't see him employing henchwomen, and it seemed like Blue Gloves was repsonsible for the formula theft just after Vik walked out of the building with Kanti on Harem Night.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: Werdna on January 14, 2014, 10:52:58 am
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I would go with self-delusional.  A hot, smart girl he really liked and dated for awhile broke up with him in October and then after stewing for a month and a half on his own

I think "crazy" has to be paired with "self-delusional" to this.  In #83, which is unambiguously after the holiday break, Vik tells Laura that he has a date that very evening.  In #132 he is actually leaving a message asking Amy if they should reschedule when he sees her and Adrian in the Golden Snail.

So what is Amy doing getting messages from an ex about rescheduling a date with someone with whom she'd been broken up for months without telling anyone?  Or maybe she's just thinking that that weird grad student she used to date still thinks they have something, and it's not worth mentioning.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: GodWilling on January 14, 2014, 12:28:01 pm
The people (or possibly one person) behind the taking of Amy are also behind the taking of Alex and Katie. Those people were able to gain access to a Princess Pink van and deliver Princess Pink stock to the store where Alex was working.

Blue Gloves picked up Alex and Katie, so Blue Gloves is in this group. If Vik is Blue Gloves then Blue Gloves did not break in to steal Vik's work. If Vik is part of this group then there was no need for any of its members to break in and steal Vik's work.

Q gets out of prison, gets a job with Princess Pink, and hooks up with Kanti. Then out of the blue Kanti's lovelorn brother hits upon Pink Clouds. What were the chances? 253 possibly suggests Q has Kanti how he wants her and he's on easy terms with someone who has a lab - presumably someone who won't be asking lots of questions about what he wants it for (which appears to rule out Yves).

I think it has more to do with the fact that the term 'gold star lesbian' means a lesbian who's never slept with a guy, and Marliese can't count herself as one of those anymore.

Which I guess would suggest Cherry was far from making a mistake. Quite the reverse.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: laguna85 on January 14, 2014, 12:37:21 pm
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I think "crazy" has to be paired with "self-delusional" to this.  In #83, which is unambiguously after the holiday break, Vik tells Laura that he has a date that very evening.  In #132 he is actually leaving a message asking Amy if they should reschedule when he sees her and Adrian in the Golden Snail.

In SJI -132
Well Adrian and Amy was at the coffee place (SJI- 119) and Q-box and sister Kanti was in Golden Snail

Vik did no like Q-box date his sister Kanti
Vik give Pink cloud hope that keep q-box away from his sister Kanti


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: mns_95125 on January 14, 2014, 02:15:01 pm
If Vik is Blue Gloves then Blue Gloves did not break in to steal Vik's work. If Vik is part of this group then there was no need for any of its members to break in and steal Vik's work.

Not saying I think this is what happened, but you could imagine Vik producing Pink Clouds for an organization that is now trying to swipe the formula so they can cut him out.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: GodWilling on January 14, 2014, 03:05:54 pm
Vik did no like Q-box date his sister Kanti
Vik give Pink cloud hope that keep q-box away from his sister Kanti

But bear in mind that these are both things Vik told Laura at the same time he was telling her he had a date with Amy...

Maybe Laura's hesitation at the bottom of 83 when she asks Vik about Amy makes more sense now. Although since she herself ended up spending that night with Amy, you'd have thought she might have taken the opportunity to ask her what was going on with Vik then.

Not saying I think this is what happened, but you could imagine Vik producing Pink Clouds for an organization that is now trying to swipe the formula so they can cut him out.

I pretty much cycle through Miriam, Yves, and Sawyer/Hans for the break-in. Unless he had a sample to work with, it seems incredible that Vik just hit upon Pink Clouds. And if he knew what he was working towards then why would he give a sample to Kanti? That's what I can't see beyond at the moment. It only makes sense to me if he's working with Q, or if Q has somehow led him to the point of creating Pink Clouds without Vik realizing it. Perhaps Laura unknowingly helped to guide Vik to it?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: laguna85 on January 14, 2014, 04:23:42 pm
At that time Amy and Laura was hypothesis at Derek Munchow place and under control of Derek
then Adrian use hypo dick SJI- 70
the watch SJI-75  after that may Laura talk to Amy

Talk to Vik SJI-83
Laura and Amy was going on a data that night
The three can in at SJI- 106 I think and went to Amy place
Vik found out that Amy is Date Adrian in SJI-132
Vik blow out in SJI-156

I see your point now Godwilling


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 260: Review Copy
Post by: laguna85 on January 21, 2014, 02:39:29 am
Look at the score card
That Cherry may be a ex-love to Erin and she love Marliese books