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Title: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Daphne on February 27, 2013, 09:20:27 pm
Art by PortalComic! Coming Saturday, March 2nd.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on February 28, 2013, 12:49:46 am
If I remember correctly, Portal is the designated guest chronicler...oh, wait, not Erin, Mallory.  Hmm.  Maybe Mallory's mother explaining the pregnancy after that visit from Sam?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on February 28, 2013, 12:58:46 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Chettbaker on February 28, 2013, 06:31:02 pm

So logically this will tell us about the first time the fourteen-year-old Yves donned a dress and Yvette was born.

I am totally on board with Goodwills line of thinking.  The song "She Just Happened"  The possibility of Echo showing up in town out of nowhere, or her influence somehow suddenly giving Adrien a major jolt.   And then Adrian's father shows up in a lime green panel van with a giant day glow velociraptor  riding a wizard painted on the side looking to reconnect with his old "Camping trip buddy"... Yves... or should we call her Yvette instead ;).. Who says taffeta gowns don't go well with camp fires!  If it weren't gay, why would they call it Camp?  Hello? :)

More Occult!  How about some voodoo?

And for those interested in seeing more of PortalComics great work, check out his deviant art page:

http://portalcomic.deviantart.com/


 I especially liked the Asterix & Obelix pic.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on March 01, 2013, 12:11:25 am
But guest pages are usually flashbacks.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on March 02, 2013, 12:22:52 am
Except in this case where it seems to be a Flash Forward.  Ugh.  Please tell me this is a dream or just one possible future that could just be a bad dream.  Yikes!

Also, pony-tail clearly isn't Erin, so who is it?  I don't recognize the hairstyle.  Is this the endpoint if Adrian fails?

ETA--subsequent discussion has demonstrated that Adrian is living with Echo in this possible future.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on March 02, 2013, 01:40:06 am
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: laguna85 on March 02, 2013, 03:00:49 am
Is that an oboe propped up on the shelf behind her? Did Dani put everything right?

This is... interesting.

Well Echo (Or may be Mallory?
He love His Red heads


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Daphne on March 02, 2013, 06:38:42 am
Is that an oboe propped up on the shelf behind her?

Yes.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on March 02, 2013, 03:03:33 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on March 02, 2013, 06:43:48 pm
And I very, very, VERY much didn't.  Even if that is Echo in a ponytail, I still don't like it.  The world seems colorless, staid, like the walk of the condemned.  I am positive this is intentional, but it augurs nothing good.  Plus, the idea that Erin would end up as (at least) the working partner of Weston "Don Fabio" himself ("A Legend In His Own Mind") is at least as disgusting as her or any of the members of any of the cohorts ending up under Q's thumb or Derek's control. ::)


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on March 03, 2013, 06:13:46 am
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: PortalComic on March 03, 2013, 06:25:00 am

And for those interested in seeing more of PortalComics great work, check out his deviant art page:

http://portalcomic.deviantart.com/


 I especially liked the Asterix & Obelix pic.

Yes and No.

Portalcomic is a studio with a lot of members. If you like the work we have done for this site you should check:

http://eros-studio.deviantart.com/

http://erosstudio.wordpress.com/


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Daphne on March 03, 2013, 09:46:25 am
Portalcomic is a studio with a lot of members.

All extremely talented!


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on March 03, 2013, 06:10:28 pm
GW--I'm sorry, I just don't understand your reading at ALL.  Adrian's behavior with the Watch and as a nominal "master" has been light years in the opposite direction from Bertram, Daffyd, Kurt, pretty much every male on Martian Harem, the manipulator from Con'Fused, or the jerks from Pwned.  I agree that his motives are in question, but the proof has been in the actions so far.  I find it bewildering that his reward for being perhaps the only man with access to the Watch not driven power-mad is to be crushed and reviled.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: PortalComic on March 03, 2013, 07:10:39 pm
Portalcomic is a studio with a lot of members.

All extremely talented!

Yes we are!


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Daphne on March 03, 2013, 08:53:05 pm
Yes we are!

Modest, too! :)

And, Henri reports, excellent hosts. Really, you should commission lots of things from them.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on March 04, 2013, 03:39:03 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on March 04, 2013, 08:17:34 pm
But I thought that was the entire point of the Rain thing.  He tried three different avenues to reverse the effects.  At the same time he learned the full extent of the web around him he also learned of a larger threat (from Rain) and he accepted the niche already carved for him specifically to meet that threat.

I...well, hmph.  About the mid-20s, I don't know.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Vidor on March 07, 2013, 12:12:10 am
Just read this one.  Wow, this sucked.  Worst SJI ever.  I really don't care for bleak, depressing endings to my MC porn, thanks.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Daphne on March 07, 2013, 01:04:42 pm
Worst SJI ever.

(http://content.mindcontroltheatre.com/dvv/open/mcc/misc/challenge-accepted.jpg)


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Vidor on March 07, 2013, 03:54:59 pm
Well, I guess it's possible to make a comic worse than that one.  Maybe Adrian could start feeling bad, and go to a psychotherapist and pour out his guilt over what a terrible human being he is.  Or maybe he could star enslaving fat women.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on March 07, 2013, 05:19:34 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on March 07, 2013, 08:13:29 pm
I stepped out and the discourse turns sour.  Ouch.

GW--The way you describe Adrian is, generally, the most charitable light in which I can view most of the male characters in the rest of MC Comics oeuvre and the other active male participants in SJI (Derek and Q-ball specifically).

From Bertram to Kurt, to Coach, to the Pwned morons, to the Martian overlords and British louts on Martian Harem, they're all appendages and only the best of them have winning smiles.  The schemer in By the Book is just as devious, but he seems to have actual interest in who these women were, are, and will become.  The others, not so much.  At their mildest, they are manipulators, at their worst, they erase and rewrite the women who interest them to cater to their own fantasies or appetites.  Adrian doesn't do this.  He uses his youth, strength, stamina to fulfill their fantasies, to bring what they imagine to life.  That seems much more give than take--and again, the few times that he's given a direct order, it's been to

1. try to awaken his housemates from the Watch's influence and
2. to prevent the harem from expanding.

This would seem to make him categorically different from most of the other central male figures in MCC and definitely different from Derek and Q (Q brought first his desires, and then his fantasies to life with the perfume).  And that certainly seems different from El Magnifico.

There are a lot of things we don't know yet, but I think at this moment, the argument concerning "Don't.  Stop," could be answered with a Forgetting Sarah Marshall rebuttal.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on March 09, 2013, 02:41:13 am
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on March 09, 2013, 03:09:46 pm
I suppose that's close, but I was offering an alternate theory.  I didn't believe that Adrian had Dani hide as part of a "To Be Continued" scenario, but had her hide because for him, that was the end--Erin was home, and he didn't want to have to explain what couldn't be explained.  He wasn't looking to revisit, just looking to not blow his chances with Erin before he ever got one.  There has to be a Youtube of the conversation between Mila Kunis character and her cohort at the desk after she gets the invitation to the muppet dracula musical.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Vidor on March 09, 2013, 04:41:57 pm
I say: Adrian is basically a jerk because he's taking advantage of these mind-controlled women

Why do you read these comics on this website?

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(And to be clear, I can judge Adrian to be a jerk and still not hate myself for enjoying his exploits in this fantasy story, which is obviously so much more than just MC porn.)

You can say that but it doesn't make it true--or, to be clearer, it doesn't resolve the fundamental and unresolvable conflict between the two halves of that sentence.  And, let's be honest, this comic series isn't "so much more than just MC porn".  It's MC porn.  That's what we want and what we're paying for to come to this website and read.  And comics like the installment we're talking about here, which seemed to be created out of some desire to give Adrian his comeuppance, pretty much ruin the whole story.  You know what isn't arousing?  A sad, depressing comic where the protagonist is broke and jobless and apparently doesn't have any slaves.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on March 09, 2013, 05:09:54 pm
I would have said "and everyone is miserable."  The slave dynamic doesn't HAVE to be present for a beautiful, engaging, or arousing scenario  Adrian and Echo look to have been pretty much crushed, they're hanging by a fiscal thread and the entire world around them is bleak--and Erin's reaction to...whatever has forced her at least next to and possibly into the arms of a self-important depth-of-a-wading pool, wannabe hair model.  Not a pleasant outlook.*shrugs*


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on March 09, 2013, 07:29:31 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Vidor on March 11, 2013, 06:15:07 am
I don't think most of the people who watch films about cowboys sit through the whole movie thinking that the cowboy is a jerk who needs to get his comeuppance.

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It's just MC porn, right?

No, a story about poverty and joblessness isn't MC porn.  That's the problem.

Episodes where Yves and Q have a chat are dull, but at least they don't actively ruin the mood.  As for us being wrong-footed, let's hope so, because that sure did suck.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Daphne on March 11, 2013, 09:18:33 am
I don't think most of the people who watch films about cowboys sit through the whole movie thinking that the cowboy is a jerk who needs to get his comeuppance.

Yeah, I hate MC stories in which the author feels obligated to tack on the "... and, of course, we know that's terrible" ending in order to align the morality of the story with real-world morality.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on March 11, 2013, 01:09:20 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Daphne on March 11, 2013, 01:17:13 pm
I have to say that it didn't occur to me for one second to think that that was the intent behind this "ending".

Given what a common trope the "... and, of course, we know that's terrible" endings are in MC porn, I can certainly understand someone seeing that ending in this.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: GodWilling on March 11, 2013, 01:21:55 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Daphne on March 11, 2013, 01:23:47 pm
I rarely like to Explain Myself, because I prefer the writing to do that, but I'll say: Whatever happened to Adrian between where we are now and Guest Page 12, it was not punishment for having the harem.

And I'll also say that those who didn't like Guest Page 12 might want to avert their eyes from Guest Page 13...


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Werdna on March 11, 2013, 01:36:30 pm
Sounds intriguing!

My initial reaction was one of disappointment, I have to confess.  But then I thought that, if nothing else, we know practically nothing about how it comes to that state, whether they're in a state of being "poor but happy" (Echo, right now, is kind of a blank - we know that she played the oboe and that her going into the harem was hard on Adrian), and I still have my theory that this is like the TV show Lost; with things being shaped over the long term in ways that the characters don't really know.

All this to say:  I want to see how you get there, and what developments in plot, character, etc. occur to help situate this in context.

The discussion in this thread about liking/not liking something in erotic mc has an interesting parallel in the mcforum right now.  An author made a major choice at the end of the second book of his trilogy that upset a couple of people there.  The author said that the story couldn't work if he hadn't made that choice.

All this blather to say:  I love the story and want more.  But that's why I subscribe, right?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Daphne on March 11, 2013, 02:21:18 pm
The discussion in this thread about liking/not liking something in erotic mc has an interesting parallel in the mcforum right now. 

Yeah, that was interesting synchronicity, wasn't it?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: jmundt29 on March 12, 2013, 02:38:28 pm
Does Weston have hidden depth?  Because, frankly in what we've seen of him so far he seems like a cross between Prince Charming from Shrek 2 and Austin Powers (with just a dash of Fabio thrown in).  His look and what he says seem to match--but if he's the male equivalent of Dani, that might be at least interesting for Erin to end up next to him temporarily.

Also, even the point we reached in Guest 12 could be seen as another jumping off point, but the mood and atmosphere are just so bleak.  If the mood changes in 13 as Adrian begins to take steps down the road not taken, that might cast 12 in a new light.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary Guest Page 12: She Just Happened
Post by: Vidor on March 14, 2013, 08:23:09 pm
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Yeah, I hate MC stories in which the author feels obligated to tack on the "... and, of course, we know that's terrible" ending in order to align the morality of the story with real-world morality.

You and me both.

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And I'll also say that those who didn't like Guest Page 12 might want to avert their eyes from Guest Page 13...

ugh...