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Title: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: Daphne on November 12, 2012, 07:45:46 am
Coming Tuesday, November 13th!


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: jmundt29 on November 12, 2012, 08:25:27 am
This could go in several directions.  This could be Q and his next use of the sample.

This could be Laura and Jacqui with other samples.

It could be Adrian and Amy

or it could be Raven's long-awaited dinner.  I'm hoping for this last one.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: GodWilling on November 12, 2012, 10:12:09 am
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: jmundt29 on November 12, 2012, 11:26:50 am
I feel that for the moment, Rain has melted into her natural habitat listening to either the voices in her head, or the otherworldly voice that's channeling to her.

Laura's supposed to be getting samples, but who's she supposed to be meeting?  She's not part of the dinner, she's not gate-crashing Amy's date.  Where's she supposed to go after work?  Oh, wait a second.  Laura's supposed to work, and Vik's super-depressed.  Is it possible he'd go into the lab to work off his disappointment (Amy) and disgust (Q-Box)?  In a tetchier mood, he might actually be dangerous if he corners Laura and asks for/demands an explanation.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: Chettbaker on November 12, 2012, 03:58:52 pm
My take:  Two guys wearing the same mind control perfume trying to talk over one another, each cancelling one another out,  neither willing/able  to throw a punch, sister/girlfriend in the middle standing numb trying to listen to whomever is speaking loudest/ pulling her away fastest.   That or Windcard  Adrien walks past, and scoops her away from both of them.  Problem solved???


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: meltons on November 13, 2012, 04:53:46 am
Daphne, I just want to write that you and your team are great!  Thank you for bringing this and all your publications to the masses.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: jmundt29 on November 13, 2012, 07:13:52 am
Oh, wow!  And this isn't even really a splash page! ;D  Yet. ;)

I second the kudos meltons expressed.

Minor question--Mallory prepared the meal, but she's not at the Infirmary now? ???

I hope that Erin was just humoring Adrian with that question.  We should find out relatively soon.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: laguna85 on November 13, 2012, 08:47:24 am
My thinking that Mallory is in the kitchen clean up or wait for Laura's who running late.
but on the calendar Jan, Thurday 12 say dinner with laura.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: jmundt29 on November 13, 2012, 08:55:49 am
Laura was originally slated to come, but she had to work.  Remember, Erin and Raven had that conversation at the diner in the morning.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: mns_95125 on November 13, 2012, 10:16:58 am
I hope that Erin was just humoring Adrian with that question.

An evil thought: Adrian's conversation with Erin was vague and left a lot unstated.  Adrian probably thinks he told Erin not to use the watch on Raven... but he didn't actually say that.  Erin could easily interpret their exchange to mean "Don't add Raven to the harem".  But that still leaves the door open for Erin to use the watch for other purposes, like acquiring a slave of her own...


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: mi_english on November 13, 2012, 10:54:43 am
One thing occurs to me.  If you look at the issues prior to Erin being controlled by the watch, she is snarky, clever, defiant, mean.... and that's been lost since she was controlled by the watch.  Now I know the point of a strip like this is to make a docile sex slave, blah, blah, blah...but everyone was hypnotized to act as if they weren't...and everyone else seems to keep their original personality...why has Erin's changed so much?  There isn't a hint of that lovely snark left.  Is it because she was bitter about her break-up, and now that she has Adrian she is a pussy cat?  Daphne doesn't strike me as that...well, simple....that a man is all she needed to set her right.

So my question is, why is Erin reacting differently under the watch's influence than everyone else is?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: GodWilling on November 13, 2012, 11:24:25 am
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: Daphne on November 13, 2012, 11:34:48 am
I dunno, Erin gave Miriam a pretty hard time...


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: jmundt29 on November 13, 2012, 12:11:08 pm
Huh?  Okay, I went hopping around looking for the one and only exchange between Erin and Jacqui's daughter...episode 87.  I thought she was trying to be genuinely helpful, complimentary, and slightly humorous.  By the way which of M/P's names is favored in the continuum? ???  She refers to herself as Miriam and her father refers to her as Miriam in flashback, but except for one conversation, everyone else refers to her as Pearl.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: GodWilling on November 13, 2012, 12:43:47 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: Werdna on November 13, 2012, 12:55:43 pm
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She refers to herself as Miriam

My take on Miriam/Pearl is that she's a convert to Judaism (or perhaps has moved from being a more secular Jew to a more strictly observant one), and has therefore changed her name to Miriam.  To her mother, who probably named her Pearl, it is probably hard to internalize that change.  (I knew a guy whose name was Christopher, converted to Judaism, and during his conversion process asked that he be known only as Chris (i.e., no 'Christ' in his name any more).  Upon completing the conversion, he asked to be addressed as Avrum.)

Speculation: Her actually taking a program in Jewish Studies is reflective of the importance of her (new?) faith.

All that is in aid of saying re: issue 134 - this was really, really well done -- the worry in Raven's face when she's trying to ask Erin what the hell is happening, the anticipation, etc.  I can't wait to see what happens next.  (Of course, my saying that kind of thing is pretty much a twice-weekly (and sometimes thrice-) sentiment.  I should come up with new ways to say that.)



Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: jmundt29 on November 13, 2012, 12:57:44 pm
Confession time.  We seem to be having two conversations, one about the current episode and its place in the current tapestry of events and people and a macro conversation about The Watch, its effects and how those track.  I actually put part of my response to the macro conversation in the When We Last Left Our Heroes thread, because that seems to be a macro thread.

The snark is muted in 87, but it's there...if not in her attitude toward Pearl, at least in her attitude toward "office coffee."  I thought the more perplexing response to the watch was Laura's, since a lot of her conversations about relationships and dynamics are surprisingly literal...almost to the point of being subversive.  "I will await further instructions" talking about relationships with...didn't she call Amy and Jacqui "fellow harem slaves?"  Now, it could be that Laura is just a LOT more direct than others, part of her analytical nature as chemist and doctoral candidate, but there have been questions posed by other forum members querying whether or not her programming is different, or her response to programming is different.  Is her bluntness a form of resistance?

The worry is well portrayed, and the shock is interesting.  In fact, the shock is so interesting that, at first, I didn't notice that that kiss was more than just a kiss (rather like I skipped over Amy trying to play footsie with Adrian under the table on their "date").  That's a French kiss, what Hollywood has sometimes attempted to dub "church tongue" (tm The Wedding Singer) when trying to be both aggressive and cute about rom-com romance.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: GodWilling on November 13, 2012, 01:10:40 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: GodWilling on November 13, 2012, 02:02:08 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: Daphne on November 13, 2012, 02:03:18 pm
And I like the play with the coffee mugs: in that same panel it looks like Erin is reaching for something... but she's just putting her mug down prior to putting Raven's down.

HUGE GIGANTIC HIGH-FIVE!

(Sorry, it's an inside joke between PK and me. Go about your business.)


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: jmundt29 on November 13, 2012, 02:42:40 pm
Werdna's speculation seems most likely given what little we know about Pearl's father.  This could be an aftereffect of the (first) Q-Box disaster.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: GodWilling on November 13, 2012, 03:22:26 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: jmundt29 on November 14, 2012, 06:32:34 pm
On the working hypothesis that it was Raven at Passion Source during "The Conversation," I took another look at Tuesday's art.  It leads me to this question:  What's that design on Raven's shirt?  Is it a red bird with some sort of speech bubble?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: Daphne on November 14, 2012, 06:38:53 pm
Is it a red bird with some sort of speech bubble?

Why, yes, it is: https://amorphia-apparel.com/design/quoth/


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: jmundt29 on November 14, 2012, 06:44:57 pm
It's a meta-shirt.  Okay! ;D  Doesn't seem like it would be clothing sold at a place called Passion Source (unless they include a special "'80s section."


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 134: Conversation Stopper.
Post by: GodWilling on November 15, 2012, 01:31:03 pm
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