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no on the list When the Weekly and Monthly back installment will begin?

Thanks for the information Daphne. It’s interesting to note that over 50% of the titles on the list of WIP are new (either one-offs or first of a series) whilst a quick check of the calendar suggests that the historical level is more like 10%. I’m sure that ought to tell me something, but I’m entirely sure what: perhaps that, like Octavia Moon, several of the ‘original’ artists Daphne has been using are partially or completely retiring and there is a bit of a changeover happening? Or maybe Daphne’s muse has had a bit of a reset after her enforced break.
Insert your favourite conspiracy theory  here….

NOT entirely sure, that is ::)

I am assuming that Starter Marriage and Lessirova not appearing in this list does not mean that they are not being worked on or releasing in the near future? I pray for it not being over a year for the next big update to starter marriage  :'(

In our terminology, Starter Marriage and Lessirova aren't "titles", so they don't get counted the same way. It implies nothing about whether or not they are coming out.

Even if they were on the list (and we're only counting the main releases here), we wouldn't give specific dates.

So, by my reading, just because a title is not on the list, does not mean that it won’t be releasing at some point soon? This is just a list of current works in progress, not finished works set to be released?

Yes and no. The list on the Forum is the list of works-in-progress, but going forward we're going to be posting titles to the calendar as soon as they are complete and ready to publish. Any title that gets published, minus some strange situation, will appear on the Forum list at some point.

Seeing Sudo on that list is more than enough for me

(I mean sure, another In-Law unit would also be great, but this is the one I really enjoy*

We thought you might like that. :-)

I’m desperately waiting for the next In-Law Unit issue

Excited for the vibe of Check for Traps (an extension to our roleplaying adventures perhaps) and also for more Trigger Warning whenever it arrives

This list is very appreciated. Hopefully weeks without a published issue continue to drop in frequency, but when I log in and don't see a new issue it's nice to know that at least a new issue has entered the pipeline. Personally, that's more important to me right now than the specific titles on the list.

Thanks for the list! Always cool to know whats in the pipeline!

Out of curiosity what are the average lead times for a comic (not trying to ask when these will be released! Just curious reading the production!)
As i see some comics have a artist only and others have  someone else doing the lettering. No need to be specific just ballpark: writing/story + art + lettering + proof reading? = ?I

The average is… probably not that meaningful, because the range is huge. We have artists that can do a 12-page issue in three weeks, and some that take a year.

The stages in a comic are:

* Me havijng time to write the script.
* Writing the script.
* Pencils/layouts.
* Inks
* Colors
* Lettering

While nearly all of the artists we have do both pencils and layouts, some do coloring and some don't. It generally takes a bit longer if there is a separate colorist, but there are exceptions to that, too: Octavia Moon just bangs them out. :-)

Of these, the one that is usually the longest is the first one. Once I actually sit down and write the script, it's usually less than a day. The part of the art creation that takes the longest is getting to the inks, the colors, and Mr Zipp gets the letttering done in record time.

Our target is 90 days from when the artist (or first artist if there are multiple ones) gets the script until the colors are done. However, the range is huge. Some of it is just how fast they work, some of it is whether they have a full- or part-time job besides art (most do), and some of it is just things coming up in their lives.

Sad to see that "The In-Law Unit" is not on the list.  Happy to see that "Belief System" and "The Ring Cycle" are.

So this is something I've been meaning to ask.

There are clearly books where you know the entire story arc before you started: Alchemist, ConFused, Checkered Past, Enchanted Summer. But there are others -- Bigger, Inheritance, Ring Cycle, An Education, Friend Zone, the impenetrable SJI -- where the plot can be more or less infinitely extended within that world?

Before you start a book/series, do you always have the entire story plotted out, even if it takes years and years to tell the whole story? Is the writing down the detail of dialog and blocking, or do things sometimes get out of control and the charagers take over as the story's getting told?

I think this totally happened with Enchanted Summer, from hypnosis to SPOILERS.

Any chance of the list being updated soon? Several of the titles on it now have been delivered

Honestly making the list a regular thing even after it's caught up would be nice.

Soon!

when Saint James Infirmary coming back?

"Canadian Girlfriend," "Vector," "In-Law Unit," and "Inheritance" are all stories I'd like to see more of.

And more Free WIFI is always welcome.  Loved the last one.

It has been nearly a month to the day since we got a proper issue release.

Is there any possibility that we can receive some sort of state of the site update, at least to tell us what’s going on?

It's worth noting, I think, that since December, only April had as many as four main-book updates. All other months have had three at most -- and now, the even weeklies and biweeklies are only trickling in. IOW, the deficit is growing, not receding.

I get that people retire, that artists sometimes act like artists, that there's a limited number of people with the particular skill and taste for this stuff, that you can only squeeze so much out of people, and that time is not infinitely extendable. I used to be in the publishing business, and I know that things sometimes go south -- sometimes for no reason, but sometimes for real reasons. But this is a lot of south, and we're now six months into it. It's not unreasonable to wonder WTH is going on.

Yeah seems like the site's winding down.

The slowing of Expanded Universe, which might be expected to remain insulated from the various issues, does seem concerning. I'm still getting promotional emails for new Mind Control Theater content, so that side of things seems to still be functioning.

to be honest im pretty sure since theater took a back seat for a while that they are probably just putting more effort into that side for now. Which would allow the artists to catch up with whatever needed to be caught up on (that is my hope at least). The only thing that scares me a little bit is how inactive daphne has been. Cause normally there is a reply or something here or there about something from daphne but recently there hasnt been anything. So hopefully everything is ok behind the scenes.

"What are we paying for" seems to be less and less of an unfair question.

I think this boils down to two definitions of users of mcc. Those who are historic and have viewed everything, therefore looking at the latest updates for new content and therefore money well spent vs those who are new (<2 years old) who haven't used mcc as much and still working through backlogs of content. Those gaps are now diminishing which is where a lot of the questions arise, especially after the announcements of "this isn't a permanent issue, but one that will be fixed by giving additional content updates to ensure we hit the missed quota" - i understand Daphne's position, but also news is better than radio silence, we are people at the other end and we understand what she's dealing with. For me personally, a new update to SM would offer a mountain of new content and replayability that is well needed.

As a newcomer, I wonder if there is content that has aged out of the archives that could be restored? Or perhaps some of the earlier bonus products could be offered to subscribers in the interim. (Of course I realize that this would not necessarily sit well with those who have already paid extra for this content the first time around. Just a thought.)

I think the distinction between long time subscribers and relative newcomers is worth noting.

All good things come to an end.  I think we all know that Daphne works hard, and that no doubt she would love for this site to be making a ton of money and bringing in new subscribers.  MC Comics has been putting out first-rate content for, what, 15 years now?

But the flow of product has almost completely ceased.  I dunno, I wish Daphne the best.  I've been reading her MC erotica since 1998.  But if one is selling subscriptions to any website one does have to produce content.

My sub just renewed for another three months -- and at the full $49.95, as opposed to the promised $29.95. After something like a decade, I'm seriously considering whether it might be my last for a while.

Daphne, is this truly the end? ???

I've been a subscriber for who knows how long, but the tighter restrictions may kill the site.  They make artists afraid to do the work that needs to be done so if an artist bows out they become more difficult than ever to replace.  Sucks that this place survived COVID and is now being shut down because others want to control what we enjoy.

EDIT:  So instead of being a sad sack my brain came up with a possible solution.  This will get me lynched, but what about AI art making one panel at a time?  It wouldn't be as high quality as we have come to expect from this site, but it would still be better than nothing.

It's not really clear what the full nature of the situation is. Expanded Universe had seemed siloed from the troubles, until it wasn't. I was thinking to myself the other day, why haven't I seen signs that Daphne is actively seeking new artists to work with, and then I was like, how the fuck would I know, I wouldn't even know where to look.

I'd really like to see the next phase of Starter Marriage. For a while I was thinking that maybe Daphne had resolved to go radio silent until she was in a position to make a triumphant announcement, but it's been well over a month at this point and that seems less and less likely.

As a long-time lurker, in here; I wonder how many of us are just going to quietly "not renew," if the situation persists... As a comic collector of over 40 years and an MCC subscriber of 5, I wouldn't complain to a format change to "Pricing per title," instead of subscription, until output stabilizes... I mean once the nectar starts flowing again, the bees will inevitably be attracted back.

As for the earlier AI comment... Well... You'd be amazed how much open source diffusion models have improved, in the last 6 months even... (0_0) ...Like stuff that will run [locally] on a high-er end laptop or gaming rig... [That's NSFW stuff too, BTW. (-_^)] With good and detailed prompts and flow in say... Comfy UI, you get output that you really have to scrutinize to detect the "AI sloppy-ness" in it. That being said, it's not "Plug and Play." You'll just get run of the mill AI "looks like cheap hentai" slop, unless you put in the work, to set up the flow...

Honestly, AI content that you have a hard time telling IS, in fact, AI content would be not so bad? #AITA? \(^-^)/

I am a long time subscriber, dating back to when this site first opened.
I have an annual membership which is up for renewal in early August.

My expectation is that I will not renew.
Starter Marriage shipping might cause me to change my mind.
Seeing stuff resolved definitely will

However, I'm not holding my breath.

On the AI front, I wonder whether the experimentations with AI that have already gone one led to a rupture with the site's existing artists.

Also a very long term subscriber here. I have made the difficult decision to cancel myself. I'm hoping  against hope that this isn't the end of the website, but with so many cancellation subscriptions at the same time, idk how that won't be the case. If everything gets going again I will be back. Back earlier this year when this was happening, Daphne was always in here reassuring us that things were in the world and would be fixed, now it's complete silence from her in the forums, which is so disappointing.
So long for now.

Yeah.  I'm gonna have to see a major turnaround to keep up with this.

My subscription was due for renewal at the start of July and I've cancelled for now. Likewise will remain this way until I see some more positive indication as to whether or not content actually makes a comeback, more so Starter Marriage than anything.

Guys: at least consider the possibility that she would be active on the forum if she could be. And that if she's not, it's because she's unable to be.

I wouldn't jump to "disappointing" before we know what's going on.

I didn't realize I'd been a subscriber since late 2020 until I checked. I'm not sure exactly how long the site has existed or how many times something like this has happened. Every site goes through its ups and downs, and before the pipeline issues, MCC was always my absolute favorite source for mind control fetish comics. Even though the wait for new updates (especially for Starter Marriage) has been very long, and Daphne’s silence isn’t ideal right now (though it might simply be because there’s nothing new to say), I’m still going to keep supporting the site through this rough patch. I believe whatever is happening behind the scenes will eventually get resolved, and any new updates will be worth the wait.

There are several stories on the sight that come out on an issue to issue basis of which I’m fond, but my
Main draw to the site is Saint James Infirmary, which has been in limbo for coming up on three quarters of a year at this point due to the SM focus.

If, someway somehow, SJI were to resume even weekly uploads, that would be sufficient to maintain my subscription. Barring that, I may do single month subscriptions in the future when (if) my choice issue-based stories resume.

How about offering us something from MCT. There are several videos on there that are related to MCC.

I have been a member for a long time and am reluctant to cancel. But Expanded Universe has never been of interest to me and An Education's art style leaves me cold so as far as I'm concerned there hasn't been an update in more than a month. I was really hopeful in May when we got 3 updates but that was almost 6 weeks ago now. I'll wait until right before my renewal but if nothing has dropped by then...

That's something I've thought about.  I said upthread that I've been reading Daphne's MC erotica since 1998.  Do the math.

OTOH, she made an "Expanded Universe" post a week ago, so....

Oh yes, there's certainly concern.  Hoping she's ok and we hear something soon.

Well, she’s recently commented in the SM thread, so she’s alive at least.

OK, first, sorry for the radio silence. I've been out sick for a white (I'm fine, all's well), and am only now catching up.

We do have a considerable amount of art in the pipeline, and we'll get the Forthcoming Issues list updated as soon as we have a rational idea of what is coming.

The Forthcoming Issues list has been updated. Please, nobody panic: the number has gone down, but several that are not listed have been assigned; we just don't have a reliable schedule yet.

Just pointing out that Street Legal #2 has already come out!

Fixed!

Glad to hear that you're doing better Daphne and that the radio silence is being broken.  So, do you want to weigh in on the idea of AI art going forward?  With some of the newer laws making it difficult for you to get artists, having a couple of contacts that can just work an AI generator may help in getting and staying caught up.

And glad you're ok.  Now about those updates...

Oi, what a question.

First, to clarify, there's no *legal* problem with getting artists.

AI has gotten a lot better over the last year, but it hasn't gotten much less divisive. There's been a small swing away from "ick" towards more acceptance. There are now some AI filmmakers (Gossip Goblin, Gloomstomper) who are creating some pretty amazing work using AI that can stand up against traditional techniques.

But I don't think the audience (that is, the people reading this) are quite ready to accept fully AI-generated comics yet. At least, that's my current impression.

On it!

Well, I was on here a week ago saying I’m ending my subscription. Even though there hasn’t been an update since, seeing you back in these forums with so much vigor has changed my mind. Can’t wait for those new updated!