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Title: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: Daphne on October 07, 2012, 09:51:51 am
Coming October 9th!


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: jmundt29 on October 07, 2012, 05:24:46 pm
Okay, this seems fairly straightforward.  This would appear to be Adrian walking back into Deep Black Vinyl to talk to Jacqui and their subsequent conversation would illuminate what Rain shared with him on that walk.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: meltons on October 09, 2012, 04:06:29 am
Daphne, you and your team continue to do great works.  Thank you for all that you have given.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: Werdna on October 09, 2012, 06:51:50 am
As always, really excellent work.  I especially like the look of relief and happiness on Jacqui's face when she is finally able to call Adrian "Master".  It's a very hot scene, and surprisingly sweet given the context.

Also, it finally brings Adrian up to speed on his status.  Next important question to answer:  what, exactly, did Rain tell Adrian in their conversation?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: mi_english on October 09, 2012, 07:38:26 am
Okay, Jesus Christ, that was hot.  Jacqui's relief, her expression when finally able to surrender to the need...and is it my imagination, or does Adrian suddenly look a lot more confident, more assured, with the understanding of status.

I thought occurs - A guest strip (one of those out-of-sequence ones) showing Dani using the watch on Adrian to make him not only okay with owning all these girls, but building his confidence as a master, would be an ingenious twist


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: jmundt29 on October 09, 2012, 08:38:10 am
First things first.  Kudos to GW for seeing this coming. ;D ;D ;D ;)

Second, beautiful art and already an interesting twist.

Third, yes it is a sweet scene which says a lot about how Adrian is different from Derek the Moron, Q-Box the rockhead, or Zenon the manipulator.

mi_english--That's an interesting thought, and there is a time gap that would accommodate such a happening, but there are a couple problems

1. Dani is no longer in control of The Watch or the programming.

2. While I suppose it would reveal Adrian's true character, we run the risk of a Pwned disaster.

Now there is a context problem with the dialogue in this one.  Namely, Dani isn't the one who finished Jacqui's programming or added the prohibition on naming Adrian "Master" to his face.  Mallory and Marliese did that.  So what is Jacqui talking about? ???  Is this another secondary layer of programming to keep Adrian from finding out who has control of The Watch now?

All of this leaves us with a very important question.

What's Rain's role in all this and what's her agenda? ???  :o  Is she trying to undermine the harem by letting Adrian know?  Is she trying to get him to retrieve The Watch for her (or whoever's running her) to "free" the women in his new harem?  Or is she acting at Marli's request/instruction to...well, help Adrian adjust to the new reality?  Is it a little of both?  Perfect cliffhanger.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: Garg22 on October 09, 2012, 09:15:36 am
Yeah, I'm going to go with everyone else and tell you that the last panel where Jaqui says Master is a work of art.

This also brings up the question of why Jaqui let Rain talk to Adrian in the first place.  Consider how miserable she looked when Rain first came into her store, almost like Jaqui knew what Rain was going to tell Adrian.  So the question becomes why did she allow it?  Was it a shard of Jaqui's personality hoping, begging that Adrian would find a way to free her, or something else?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: jmundt29 on October 09, 2012, 09:40:26 am
I don't think Jacqui knows about Rain and Marli.  I think the ugly look was probably due to past associations with the Q and whatever role Rain played in that mess.  But, as demonstrated very recently, I've been spectacularly wrong about this strip before and will be again.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: Daphne on October 09, 2012, 09:54:00 am
This also brings up the question of why Jaqui let Rain talk to Adrian in the first place.

Rain doesn't strike me as the kind of woman you say no to, even Jacqui...


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: Werdna on October 09, 2012, 09:56:18 am
My take on why Jacqui looked so worried was that she knew Rain was going to tell Adrian about (among other things) her enslaved status, and she was afraid of, and saddened by the prospect of, Adrian rejecting her.

Just like jmundt, though, I am prepared to be spectacularly wrong about this.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: jmundt29 on October 09, 2012, 10:06:37 am
I think the tone of their conversation after Rain leaves reflects her concern about being rejected, but I don't think that's what was going through her mind when she saw Rain walk in.

What's the source of song lyrics in the pop-up text? ???


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: GodWilling on October 09, 2012, 01:12:50 pm
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: Tony on October 09, 2012, 02:10:47 pm
I think it is highly possible that Dani would have mentioned the 'not calling Adrian Master' part in the early programming. After all, Jacqui did everything he suggest quite quickly when she was only partially effected. Obviously, the final programming was done by Mallory so that Jacqui could where clothes again.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: jmundt29 on October 09, 2012, 02:46:04 pm
Tony--No, actually the opposite.  In Dani's experience "masters" of the harem enjoyed being named as such by the women of the harem.  The initial programing had Marliese AND Erin calling Adrian "Master" in issues #53 (Marliese in the throws of passion on the table), and #55 (Erin whispering the title in Adrian's ear and he freezes for an explanation).  In fact, Mallory also uses the descriptor in #56 (walking by with a tray of drinks) and that's when Adrian calls Danielle down for explanations.  In #57 she proposes that they remain his harem but behave normally and he nixes it.  It's this discussion that triggers the modifications Mallory and Marliese make to everyone's programming (particularly Jacqui, Erin, and Danielle) when they assume control of The Watch.

This makes Jacqui's comment about Dani's warning...puzzling.

Again, I'm not clear what Rain actually said to Adrian (maybe just "The girls are your harem,") or at whose direction she said it since we have no idea where her loyalties actually lie.  To quote Vera Prescott:  "Love is love, but business is business."


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: Daphne on October 09, 2012, 02:55:12 pm
What's the source of song lyrics in the pop-up text? ???

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2f3li_10-000-maniacs-because-the-night-li_music


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: elbenton on October 09, 2012, 03:37:56 pm
Then there's Patti Smith...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoGdx3I3dPE


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: Daphne on October 09, 2012, 03:39:14 pm
Then there's Patti Smith...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoGdx3I3dPE


The Patti Smith version really is the definitive one (she wrote the song, after all). These particular lyrics are the 10,000 Maniacs cover, which are slightly different from the original.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: elbenton on October 09, 2012, 03:49:18 pm
Yes, I noticed the differences in the lyrics.  As much as I like Natalie Merchant, I like Patti Smith's (original) version of the song better.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: Chettbaker on October 09, 2012, 05:28:06 pm
I'm with jmundt29 on this one curious about Rains role in all this.  She definitely seems like a woman who can push things in the direction she wants. And yes  When Jacqui says Master.  Just the way her head is tilted and the resistance she gives.  No collar in sight but the way she reacts there might as well have been.  Very Hot!  I'm also wondering if "Dancing Barefoot" also by Patti Smith (covered by U2 for the threesome soundtrack) will ever be used. The lyrics seem somewhat... appropriate.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: jmundt29 on October 09, 2012, 06:25:34 pm
And...I have egg on my face AGAIN! ;)  I had a comp prof. who loved Natalie Merchant, but she favored Ophelia.  This is the tune I most associate with that artist (even though it's a cover).


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 122: After the Rain
Post by: mi_english on October 10, 2012, 03:49:40 pm
Nobody is going to mention that Bruce Springsteen wrote the song (Patti Smith ADDED to it) and has his own amazing version (one I was fortunate to see blisteringly live in Chicago this past month?)  Hey, I'm all for Patti Smith, but credit where credit's due...