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Title: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on December 09, 2024, 10:31:16 am
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Starter Marriage, Phase 4: Relationship Goals, coming January 1, 2025!


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: djv on December 09, 2024, 01:24:19 pm
hype


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on December 16, 2024, 04:49:53 am
A happy new year indeed


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on December 19, 2024, 03:48:52 pm
Just a note on progress…

* Thanks to the amazing work of our beta testers, it is coming along wonderfully. A particular shout-out to Hereno, who has been doing amazing work and invaluable in finding all kinds of bugs.

* Unlike the comics, launching a new phase of Starter Marriage is a manual process, so it will probably launch around noon Pacific on 1/1/2025.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Haight on December 19, 2024, 10:33:44 pm
* Unlike the comics, launching a new phase of Starter Marriage is a manual process, so it will probably launch around noon Pacific on 1/1/2025.

That's a bit ambitious of a schedule for NYD XD


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Vidor on December 23, 2024, 06:49:50 pm
Seeing that this comic was getting a new installment prompted me to renew my subscription.  Although I guess I'll wait for hereno's prompts again before actually opening it up.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: djv on December 23, 2024, 08:02:08 pm
I would love to beta test, in case you're open to new testers ;)


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: lancehunter on December 25, 2024, 06:30:27 pm
Clearing my calendar on New Year's Day.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on December 25, 2024, 07:52:20 pm
Since we are at T-1 week, I wanted to post some release notes:

  • This phase not only extends the narrative, but adds to and changes other parts that came before. Some of the choices may lead in different directions now. There will be a lot to explore!
  • Because of how many changes there are internally, when Phase 4 rolls out, any current position in the game or saved positions will be reset.

There is also a big new feature!

  • Savepoints! You will be able to save up to five different positions in the game and switch between them, rather than just one as it is now.

We're very excited about this release!


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on December 26, 2024, 09:57:11 pm
I read that as Phase 4 concluding the narrative and was severely confused for a second before I realized you meant it appends to the existing narrative (while adding more divergences in existing scenes).


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on December 26, 2024, 10:00:54 pm
I read that as Phase 4 concluding the narrative and was severely confused for a second before I realized you meant it appends to the existing narrative (while adding more divergences in existing scenes).

Excellent point! I've changed the text to be a bit more clear.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: elenchos on December 27, 2024, 05:05:52 am
...
There is also a big new feature!

  • Savepoints! You will be able to save up to five different positions in the game and switch between them, rather than just one as it is now.
...

Amazing. Thank you!


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on December 29, 2024, 07:06:36 am
I would have been happy probably with half of the things you've said. 5 saves will greatly help me "play" through each outcome, and knowing now that it's likely to be different anyway is exciting. There is apparently an image of a snake that I failed to reproduce.

I had already intended to start over and play as naturally as I would have just to see how that pans out. Though if memory serves my "natural" outcome was not my most preffered simply because it upset Allison a little bit.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: hereno on December 29, 2024, 11:59:26 pm
With Daphne's permission, I'd like to tell you all a super minor but very important spoiler:
 
SPOILER: Unlike earlier chapters, Phase 4 is heavy on optional scenes. Meaning, it is quite possible (even probable?) to get a run through the new content that is quite brief. If this happens on your first run, don't worry: there's a lot of stuff in here, you just have to dig for it.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Bob42 on December 30, 2024, 04:11:24 pm
  • This phase not only extends the narrative, but adds to and changes other parts that came before. Some of the choices may lead in different directions now. There will be a lot to explore!

Are there any new pictures in the earlier retouched chapters?  Compared to the number listed in the posts where you've talked about that.  I will need to restart my 'how to find all the pictures' project.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: onyxghoul on December 31, 2024, 01:55:49 pm
Since we are at T-1 week, I wanted to post some release notes:

  • This phase not only extends the narrative, but adds to and changes other parts that came before. Some of the choices may lead in different directions now. There will be a lot to explore!
  • Because of how many changes there are internally, when Phase 4 rolls out, any current position in the game or saved positions will be reset.

There is also a big new feature!

  • Savepoints! You will be able to save up to five different positions in the game and switch between them, rather than just one as it is now.

We're very excited about this release!
Does this mean that finding scenes in this phase will unlock content in previous chapters?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on December 31, 2024, 03:35:44 pm
Does this mean that finding scenes in this phase will unlock content in previous chapters?

The game is linear in the sense that each playthrough is independent, so something you do later in the game does not affect things that are available earlier in the game in a subsequent playthrough.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: twobears on January 01, 2025, 03:29:33 am
I've been playing around with this a bit recently

Still quite unclear how to trigger the scenes with

1.  The love potion
2.  The spell

Once or twice, I managed to have some dreams sequences involving Renee, but even here I'm kinda unclear how I ended up with these.  I THINK it involved discussions with Natalie, but I'm not 100% sure...




Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Underworld on January 01, 2025, 04:08:38 am
Looking forward to exploring this - but I don't seem to snore too move past the dream sequence at the end of chapter 3 even if I restart the story. It's this happening to anyone else or am I missing something?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on January 01, 2025, 04:15:08 am
Looking forward to exploring this - but I don't seem to snore too move past the dream sequence at the end of chapter 3 even if I restart the story. It's this happening to anyone else or am I missing something?

An earlier post by Daphne. The TLDR would be wait til after 12pm PST.

Just a note on progress…

* Thanks to the amazing work of our beta testers, it is coming along wonderfully. A particular shout-out to Hereno, who has been doing amazing work and invaluable in finding all kinds of bugs.

* Unlike the comics, launching a new phase of Starter Marriage is a manual process, so it will probably launch around noon Pacific on 1/1/2025.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Underworld on January 01, 2025, 04:49:57 am
Ah thanks for that! Bring across the pond is just seen it had gone live as a new comic. Thanks for the quick answer


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: djv on January 01, 2025, 10:23:30 am
Since it's on the front page right now I think a lot of people are getting confused. Would be helpful if there was some sort of indicator as to when it got released


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 01, 2025, 10:24:40 am
Since it's on the front page right now I think a lot of people are getting confused. Would be helpful if there was some sort of indicator as to when it got released

I will post a note here. It'll be soon!


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 01, 2025, 11:47:00 am
Phase 4 is up!


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on January 01, 2025, 03:22:47 pm
There's just so many routes. I'm curious what others have ended up on. My personal favorite so far has been the honest abe route while hypnotizing Allison to want big boobs. Up until the 2nd days end and I text Annie about seeing her again but only with explicit commitment the next morning. This seems to inevitably spiral to resuming your relationship with Lorelei, to which you then lie to Allisons face about it and get her permission for Lorelei in the future and fuck her all night. You can also in this route feel up Renee's boobs without getting a BJ from her. I'm uncertain if that's one of the new tweaks or not but is appreciated.

Basically... my favorite route crosses lines I wouldn't irl but definitely give a thrill exploring in fantasy.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 01, 2025, 03:28:33 pm
Starter Marriage is a pretty amoral game. It's a good environment to put your scruples aside. :-)


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Bob42 on January 01, 2025, 04:24:28 pm
Is this the right place to point out apparent inconsistencies?  Also is there a spoiler blocking method in this forum we should be using for the first while after the new release?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 01, 2025, 04:27:33 pm
Is this the right place to point out apparent inconsistencies?  Also is there a spoiler blocking method in this forum we should be using for the first while after the new release?

Yes, you can post them here. If you find things out during normal gameplay, you don't have to mark them as spoilers.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: TacTic on January 01, 2025, 04:29:28 pm
Personnaly, I like the "Unapologetic dom" route: just make the most of every sex scene, being extremely straightforward about it. I just tone down two times with bashfull truth: I reply "nothing important" at the start to "create" the affaire with Lorelei, and don't talk about Annie by phone to keep Allison a bit insecure. Coupled with some try to make the scenes with each girl the most domineering possible, it is enough to have complete dominance upon Allison by the end of phase 3 and install some powerplay with Lorelei, Renée and Annie.

 It also unlock the "fantasy" of Allison and I am surprised, because if you go all the way of Allison's fantasy, my MC finally say: "
This fantasy is so specific and unlike her that you wonder... You decide that it's time to move on, and you can talk to her about it in the morning."
 But at the start of phase 4, I don't find how to talk to her about it. I tried to delay or even deny the love scene, but to no avait. The rest of the phase is not played differently if I chose Allison's fantasy or the other more "traditional" form of control over her.
Maybe I took this fantasy a bit too seriously and it does not unlock some dark mysteries, or maybe it will be the topic of another phase later. But it is a bit frustrating to not know if it's an oversight or just normal development.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 01, 2025, 04:31:17 pm
But it is a bit frustrating to not know if it's an oversight or just normal development.

You can assume things like that are as-intended.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jimbill62 on January 01, 2025, 05:42:32 pm
The thing that is getting me the most is what triggers the ring to be in the bathroom. If anyone figures that out it would be very helpful.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Bob42 on January 01, 2025, 06:03:14 pm
Yes, you can post them here. If you find things out during normal gameplay, you don't have to mark them as spoilers.

On a route int phase 4 where the MC meets Renee in the coffee shop and hypnotizes her, he has the option to take her to the restroom and take pictures.  After that when texting with Allison, she asks for pictures and MC says he doesn't have any.  At this point MC and Allison are being pretty open about everything that is going on and there's no reason to hide that there are fun pictures.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 01, 2025, 06:31:52 pm
I wish I'd kept better notes in, jeez. 2022?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: djv on January 01, 2025, 10:26:19 pm
The Lorelei-Ring sequence is the darkest part of the multipath so far...


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 01, 2025, 10:27:17 pm
The Lorelei-Ring sequence is the darkest part of the multipath so far...

It gets darker.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Haight on January 02, 2025, 12:25:54 am
The Lorelei-Ring sequence is the darkest part of the multipath so far...

It gets darker.

You're kind of implying that Annie has some dark shit going on too...


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on January 02, 2025, 04:12:15 am
The Lorelei-Ring sequence is the darkest part of the multipath so far...

This lead me down a rabbit hole. It seems clear that Dante, at a minimum, is responsible for some external mc occurring. Whether you lie to Allison or not at the start, she still wants to go with Dante or at expresses interest in him. Dante and Renee's house is also where you find Lorelei's ring, which seems to be invaluable to her ability to stave off any MC attempts. The fact she took it off while at their place suggests outside influence, which it's reasonable to conclude Dante's involvement with our current information. Perhaps im just stating the obvious here, but it has been fun to try and dissect the story from a readers pov. There is a fun gameing aspect because you can always restart and try new options. It's thanks to this that I found both Renee's Cafe scene and Lorelei's ringless mind control sequence which as far as i have tested seem to be mutually exclusive in that you can do one or the other. There is likely even more to discover if I was creative enough or wanted to be meaner throughout.

Lorelei's scene did feel particulalrly dark, given the circumstances. I understand that Mind Control is by definition a gray area morally but you can get up to some pretty heinous things this go around. Its just in stark contrast to the sex you can have with her having given the ring back, it is basically juat as raunchy except she's willingly doing it rsther than hypnotically so.The exception being of course the dom/sub degrees I suppose. Perhaps even that scene is just some latent programming we are yer unaware of.





Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 02, 2025, 09:11:34 am
The Lorelei-Ring sequence is the darkest part of the multipath so far...

It gets darker.

Gets as in there's more brutal MC already in the extant content, or gets as in there will be still more brutal MC to come in 2027-or-whenever?  Annie's last texts imply that her ex gave her scars or facial tattoos or plastic surgery to make her resemble/match another woman, which is certainly a level of physical control and dehumanization that feels a bit beyond what's been seen so far, but that's yet to be implemented.

My attempts to piece things together, and I'm remembering now that this was an issue for me with the last release as well, is that information you get in one playthrough is not necessarily true in other playthroughs. Do you and Emma have a bit of sordid history in playthroughs where that doesn't come up? Does Renee always have the same job? Is Dante's whole deal the same on all paths through the game or is it adjusted as needed to complement you and your mind-controlling (or lack thereof)?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 02, 2025, 09:29:58 am
Gets as in there's more brutal MC already in the extant content, or gets as in there will be still more brutal MC to come in 2027-or-whenever?

In phase 4, although it's within what I'd call the general MCC limits (such as they are).

Quote
My attempts to piece things together, and I'm remembering now that this was an issue for me with the last release as well, is that information you get in one playthrough is not necessarily true in other playthroughs.

This is correct. Some things are constant: The protagonist and Annie were always married and she left him, Allison is the protagonist's girlfriend, Renée and Dante are a couple, Renée had her boobs done recently, Emma is the protagonist's coworker, Lorelei and the protagonist have a sexual history. I would say that (in general, this is not absolute) the facts do not change nearly as much as the reasons and motivations. (One can split hairs over what is a fact and what is a reason or motivation, but that way madness lies.)


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 02, 2025, 09:49:21 am
An example that may or may not actually be true (I'm not being coy, I don't remember and haven't gone through the code to find out), it may be a constant that the protagonist and Emma made out at some point, but the reasons for it and how the event is remembered by either party can change. And some facts are subject to change playthrough to playthrough.

And it bears repeating that Starter Marriage is 100% deterministic (make what philosophical hay of it that you will :-) ). The same choices in the same order always produce the same result. The random bits that there are do not affect any outcomes.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: hereno on January 02, 2025, 12:03:04 pm
Lorelei's scene did feel particulalrly dark

I'm going to bite: I don't really get why her sequence is "darker" than, say, what you're doing to Allison? I suppose it depends on the run. But I mean... this is a fetish about non-consensually mind controlling people into being slaves. It's all dark. (I like the dark stuff.)


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 02, 2025, 12:45:21 pm
Lorelei's scene did feel particulalrly dark

I'm going to bite: I don't really get why her sequence is "darker" than, say, what you're doing to Allison? I suppose it depends on the run. But I mean... this is a fetish about non-consensually mind controlling people into being slaves. It's all dark. (I like the dark stuff.)

I guess I'd say there's a line between "please don't mind control me I don't want to be mind controlled I specifically don't want to feel powerless in that specific way" and "gee whillickers I sure hope nobody hypnotizes my sweet soft pliable mind while I lay it out on this windowsill to cool *innocent whistling*"  Although that's me being a little silly. It's true that Allison is not giving fully informed consent, but enslaving Lorelei (or trying to) seems to be crossing a boundary she's staked out as one she doesn't want crossed.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: hereno on January 02, 2025, 12:51:06 pm
"gee whillickers I sure hope nobody hypnotizes my sweet soft pliable mind while I lay it out on this windowsill to cool *innocent whistling*"

I guess I don't think any character (in SM or, really, MCC) is doing this. You don't have to say "Don't do this to me": that's assumed. So any use of MC is dark in my mind.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I absolutely loved Lorelei's stuff in this chapter.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 02, 2025, 12:53:46 pm
One of the reasons I love this kind of multipath story is that you get to provide a wide range of MC "flavors" in a way that no other medium can really do. It probably never gets to quite the light playfulness of EU, but otherwise, I think there's a pretty good selection on offer.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 02, 2025, 12:55:57 pm
"gee whillickers I sure hope nobody hypnotizes my sweet soft pliable mind while I lay it out on this windowsill to cool *innocent whistling*"

I guess I don't think any character (in SM or, really, MCC) is doing this. You don't have to say "Don't do this to me": that's assumed. So any use of MC is dark in my mind.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I absolutely loved Lorelei's stuff in this chapter.

I wouldn't say that sort of eagerness is never present in MCC material though it definitely isn't the default and I don't disagree that nobody in Starter Marriage is in such a mode, just that there's a spectrum of how brutal the MC can be. But yes, I agree re Lorelei.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: curiouscat321 on January 02, 2025, 12:57:19 pm
Has anyone figured out how to progress the date with Emma? I get the sense there’s a way to not make her leave, but I haven’t found it.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 02, 2025, 01:09:00 pm
The Lorelei-Ring sequence is the darkest part of the multipath so far...

This lead me down a rabbit hole. It seems clear that Dante, at a minimum, is responsible for some external mc occurring. Whether you lie to Allison or not at the start, she still wants to go with Dante or at expresses interest in him. Dante and Renee's house is also where you find Lorelei's ring, which seems to be invaluable to her ability to stave off any MC attempts. The fact she took it off while at their place suggests outside influence, which it's reasonable to conclude Dante's involvement with our current information. Perhaps im just stating the obvious here, but it has been fun to try and dissect the story from a readers pov. There is a fun gameing aspect because you can always restart and try new options. It's thanks to this that I found both Renee's Cafe scene and Lorelei's ringless mind control sequence which as far as i have tested seem to be mutually exclusive in that you can do one or the other. There is likely even more to discover if I was creative enough or wanted to be meaner throughout.

Lorelei's scene did feel particulalrly dark, given the circumstances. I understand that Mind Control is by definition a gray area morally but you can get up to some pretty heinous things this go around. Its just in stark contrast to the sex you can have with her having given the ring back, it is basically juat as raunchy except she's willingly doing it rsther than hypnotically so.The exception being of course the dom/sub degrees I suppose. Perhaps even that scene is just some latent programming we are yer unaware of.





So, first, I can confirm that hypnotizing Renee and Lorelei are not mutually exclusive, and neither is exclusive to hypnotizing Allison at breakfast. Also, though, I am spending far too much time considering Gremlin's reaction to how you program Lorelei. I can't decide if I think the reactions are meant to be an indicator of your dom stat, or if Gremlin, Lorelei or both are supernatural in some way (given the presence of the snake incubus in another route, supernatural stuff is obviously not off the table).


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 02, 2025, 01:11:01 pm
I am spending far too much time considering Gremlin's reaction to how you program Lorelei.

I love this. :-)


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 02, 2025, 01:13:26 pm
I am spending far too much time considering Gremlin's reaction to how you program Lorelei.

I love this. :-)

Chekhov's gun et cetera, I could have believed you just win the cat over once you program her, but the change in reactions, and being so drastic, feels very intentional to me.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 02, 2025, 01:24:00 pm
Has anyone figured out how to progress the date with Emma? I get the sense there’s a way to not make her leave, but I haven’t found it.

After establishing that you are skilled at hypnosis you can have Emma take deep breaths etc until you get a chance to implant some suggestions -- only one of which can come into play before the end of the chapter, if I understand correctly.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 02, 2025, 03:05:16 pm
Can anyone who has gotten the date with Emma confirm a few things for me? Namely, whether they had the option to pick up the ring at Renee and Dante's, whether they saw Renee at the coffee shop and whether they were able to hypnotize Lorelei?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Haight on January 02, 2025, 05:13:09 pm
I am spending far too much time considering Gremlin's reaction to how you program Lorelei.

I love this. :-)

Honestly it gave me the impression that Gremlin does not have Lorelei's best interests in mind, heh.

And it bears repeating that Starter Marriage is 100% deterministic (make what philosophical hay of it that you will :-) ). The same choices in the same order always produce the same result. The random bits that there are do not affect any outcomes.

You really missed an opportunity to fuck with people.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Haight on January 02, 2025, 05:17:25 pm
Can anyone who has gotten the date with Emma confirm a few things for me? Namely, whether they had the option to pick up the ring at Renee and Dante's, whether they saw Renee at the coffee shop and whether they were able to hypnotize Lorelei?

Yeah, I had a playthrough where I was able to hypnotize Allison, Renee, Emma, and Lorelei. Still trying to figure out what exactly prompts Allison to be hypnotized though, it seems required for the others.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 02, 2025, 05:28:51 pm
Can anyone who has gotten the date with Emma confirm a few things for me? Namely, whether they had the option to pick up the ring at Renee and Dante's, whether they saw Renee at the coffee shop and whether they were able to hypnotize Lorelei?

Yeah, I had a playthrough where I was able to hypnotize Allison, Renee, Emma, and Lorelei. Still trying to figure out what exactly prompts Allison to be hypnotized though, it seems required for the others.

Interesting, my first question is how did you get her to agree to get coffee before the trip, because I seem to only be able to get an agreement for after I return.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: LongPlay on January 02, 2025, 07:41:54 pm
A big congrats to Daphne and everyone involved in producing this! I can’t imagine the amount of work and brain-frying code it took to produce this and make it run smoothly, while still being an immersive and hot story.

I’d also appreciate any pointers on how to get to a stage where you can overtly hypnotise people in the new chapter. While I’ve been able to get into Allison into trance state in Chapter 4, and did manage to hypnotise Renee with my cock in the cafe bathroom, I haven’t discovered any more scenes along those lines. I get the sense I may have to deviate from my usual routes to get there.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 02, 2025, 08:30:47 pm
I think I found a piece of content in chapter 4 that's new, Allison as tradwife. Now, though, I'm trying to replicate a thing I eventually managed with hereno's advisement in 2023, get Allison to declare herself your sex slave without Annie being your sex slave as well, and the method I claimed worked in 2023 doesn't (more likely my bad note-taking than a change to the content).


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 02, 2025, 08:38:26 pm
A big congrats to Daphne and everyone involved in producing this!

Thank you! (And thanks to PK and MS for their amazing art.)


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 02, 2025, 08:39:31 pm
A big congrats to Daphne and everyone involved in producing this! I can’t imagine the amount of work and brain-frying code it took to produce this and make it run smoothly, while still being an immersive and hot story.

I’d also appreciate any pointers on how to get to a stage where you can overtly hypnotise people in the new chapter. While I’ve been able to get into Allison into trance state in Chapter 4, and did manage to hypnotise Renee with my cock in the cafe bathroom, I haven’t discovered any more scenes along those lines. I get the sense I may have to deviate from my usual routes to get there.

I'm not quite understanding what you mean? Unless you mean how to get the Lorelei and Emma scenes, because you seem to have achieved the Allison and Renee scenes.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: hereno on January 02, 2025, 09:40:51 pm
I think I found a piece of content in chapter 4 that's new, Allison as tradwife. Now, though, I'm trying to replicate a thing I eventually managed with hereno's advisement in 2023, get Allison to declare herself your sex slave without Annie being your sex slave as well, and the method I claimed worked in 2023 doesn't (more likely my bad note-taking than a change to the content).

Since this is from earlier chapters, I can answer these.

The Allison tradwife path ("Let's talk about you being my maid" through four stages) is old; was there all along.

There's a couple paths to Allison's self-declaration as slave, but an easy one is to get the explicit commitment out of Annie and then reject her.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 02, 2025, 11:30:44 pm
Ok, I am going to need some help getting the scene with Emma, I can get the fantasy of her blowing me after talking with her, but not the encounter with her in the final chapter. I've tried telling Lorelei about her and not telling Lorelei about her, and I'm not seeing what else connects with her.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: JorgeTulio on January 02, 2025, 11:45:16 pm
Well, I've hypnotized Emma in the cafe and on a seperate playthrough, at work. I want to know if it's possible to do both


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: djv on January 03, 2025, 01:06:47 am
Lorelei's scene did feel particulalrly dark

I'm going to bite: I don't really get why her sequence is "darker" than, say, what you're doing to Allison? I suppose it depends on the run. But I mean... this is a fetish about non-consensually mind controlling people into being slaves. It's all dark. (I like the dark stuff.)

Obviously Allison's MC is "non consensual mind control" too, and in real life it would be similarly awful, but MC erotica in my mind has lots of "gradients". At least prior to chapter four:

A. It's (still) very ambiguous exactly who is actually masterminding Allison's changes throughout the story, or whether the MC realizes that the thing he's doing is working. The "tell me what you're thinking" option suggests that Dante or someone else is the one making major changes to your wife, not you.
B. Your relationship with Allison gets going before the story begins, so the reader doesn't really feel it as much. Something about the firsf meeting with Lorelei, where you're sharing secrets and getting advice, feels more intimate than the conversations with your wife, especially if you're hiding things from Allison at that stage in the game
C. Allison doesn't visibly protest what's happening to her until chapter 4, and then not very 'ferociously'; often before chapter 4 she practically begs you to keep going

On the other hand, in the ring sequence with Lorelei: Here is an old friend, a friend who trusts you, coming to you dejected, terrified and afraid of what Dante and them will do to her, now that she doesn't have the item you stole... Lorelei, your beautiful, unique confidant, a gem among women, who is doing her damnednest to maintain her agency despite the circumstances... To turn such a wonderful person into Yet Another Sex Slave... My heart breaks <\3

Think my 'canon' playthrough going forward is going to be a ring return to Lorelei and then protecting her from Dante and them. I have a feeling that actually picking up the ring inbetween chapter 2 and 4 for safekeeping could be necessary for a good ending in the future.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: djv on January 03, 2025, 01:11:44 am
I totally like the dark stuff too just FYI. Just tryna explaining my emotional reaction to internet porn  :P


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: djv on January 03, 2025, 01:22:38 am
The Lorelei-Ring sequence is the darkest part of the multipath so far...

This lead me down a rabbit hole. It seems clear that Dante, at a minimum, is responsible for some external mc occurring. Whether you lie to Allison or not at the start, she still wants to go with Dante or at expresses interest in him. Dante and Renee's house is also where you find Lorelei's ring, which seems to be invaluable to her ability to stave off any MC attempts. The fact she took it off while at their place suggests outside influence, which it's reasonable to conclude Dante's involvement with our current information. Perhaps im just stating the obvious here, but it has been fun to try and dissect the story from a readers pov. There is a fun gameing aspect because you can always restart and try new options. It's thanks to this that I found both Renee's Cafe scene and Lorelei's ringless mind control sequence which as far as i have tested seem to be mutually exclusive in that you can do one or the other. There is likely even more to discover if I was creative enough or wanted to be meaner throughout.


Crafting the story through the different playthroughs is the best part for me! Daphne is a great writer, and there are all these little nuggets of information for people with an eye for details.

I thought the (paraphrasing) "Why did you leave the ring in the bathroom, deems unlike you" - "I don't know why I did either" back and forth during the ring sequence was suggestive of her being specifically manipulated into leaving the ring at Dante's place...


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: djv on January 03, 2025, 01:25:43 am
Gets as in there's more brutal MC already in the extant content, or gets as in there will be still more brutal MC to come in 2027-or-whenever?

In phase 4, although it's within what I'd call the general MCC limits (such as they are).

Interesting, I have done what I thought was a max-Dom play through with all four of Lorelei, Emma, Renee, Allison MCd, but didn't notice anything more significant than the Lorelei one yet...


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 03, 2025, 01:27:48 am
Gets as in there's more brutal MC already in the extant content, or gets as in there will be still more brutal MC to come in 2027-or-whenever?

In phase 4, although it's within what I'd call the general MCC limits (such as they are).

Interesting, I have done what I thought was a max-Dom play through with all four of Lorelei, Emma, Renee, Allison MCd, but didn't notice anything more significant than the Lorelei one yet...

How did you get Emma to show up? Like, did you have any indication the scene was coming?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 03, 2025, 02:18:01 am
Gets as in there's more brutal MC already in the extant content, or gets as in there will be still more brutal MC to come in 2027-or-whenever?

In phase 4, although it's within what I'd call the general MCC limits (such as they are).

Interesting, I have done what I thought was a max-Dom play through with all four of Lorelei, Emma, Renee, Allison MCd, but didn't notice anything more significant than the Lorelei one yet...

How did you get Emma to show up? Like, did you have any indication the scene was coming?

I finally got it to work.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: LongPlay on January 03, 2025, 05:11:53 am
I'm not quite understanding what you mean? Unless you mean how to get the Lorelei and Emma scenes, because you seem to have achieved the Allison and Renee scenes.

That's right! Though I think someone else mentioned hypnotizing Allison at breakfast, which I haven't had the option to do yet. As for the other two, I can get the coffee date with Emma to some heavy flirting and an invite to the party, but nothing like explicitly hypnotizing her. And for Lorelei, I can take keep the ring from her but don't get an option to control her. Though given how utterly anxious and sad she looks (thanks to Plutonian Knight's and MS's art here!), I'm not sure I'll have the heart to!

One thing I am intrigued about is Dante's character and motivations - is he always a (probably) malevolent force and exerting control or others? Or is he sometimes just a kinky poly guy? And if he is malign, to what extent is Renee an accomplice, given her own hypnosis skills? I get the sense this is connected as to whether the ring shows up or not. Of course I could be completely wrong, but that's the fun of it.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on January 03, 2025, 10:05:59 am
Lorelei's scene did feel particulalrly dark

I'm going to bite: I don't really get why her sequence is "darker" than, say, what you're doing to Allison? I suppose it depends on the run. But I mean... this is a fetish about non-consensually mind controlling people into being slaves. It's all dark. (I like the dark stuff.)

Obviously Allison's MC is "non consensual mind control" too, and in real life it would be similarly awful, but MC erotica in my mind has lots of "gradients". At least prior to chapter four:

A. It's (still) very ambiguous exactly who is actually masterminding Allison's changes throughout the story, or whether the MC realizes that the thing he's doing is working. The "tell me what you're thinking" option suggests that Dante or someone else is the one making major changes to your wife, not you.
B. Your relationship with Allison gets going before the story begins, so the reader doesn't really feel it as much. Something about the firsf meeting with Lorelei, where you're sharing secrets and getting advice, feels more intimate than the conversations with your wife, especially if you're hiding things from Allison at that stage in the game
C. Allison doesn't visibly protest what's happening to her until chapter 4, and then not very 'ferociously'; often before chapter 4 she practically begs you to keep going

On the other hand, in the ring sequence with Lorelei: Here is an old friend, a friend who trusts you, coming to you dejected, terrified and afraid of what Dante and them will do to her, now that she doesn't have the item you stole... Lorelei, your beautiful, unique confidant, a gem among women, who is doing her damnednest to maintain her agency despite the circumstances... To turn such a wonderful person into Yet Another Sex Slave... My heart breaks <\3

Think my 'canon' playthrough going forward is going to be a ring return to Lorelei and then protecting her from Dante and them. I have a feeling that actually picking up the ring inbetween chapter 2 and 4 for safekeeping could be necessary for a good ending in the future.

Yes, Lorelei's felt much darker because at least from the player's perspective you have a sexual/romantic relationship from the past and as you've stated she seems to have some kind of magical/paranormal/ward attached to the ring and she's trusted you to confide in. Allison, as much as I enjoy her, feels like a blank slate/canvas for the player to mould comparatively. At least in terms of the "game" mechanics. I dislike being dishonest with Allison too, but that's partly because everytime I choose dishonesty and lying about your affair with Lorelei but then ask Allison if she's done anything with anyone else she at least seems to claim that no, you're her only partner right now and you generally get a shocked expression from her. Whether this is true, or if she's been manipulated by an external factor like Dante or Renee, has yet to come to fruition.

There is an important distinction with Allison in that she is your current girlfriend and publicly people know this, as compared to Lorelei who seems to be a side fling/soulmate situationship? Unclear. You know The relationship with Allison is public because of the interactions with Emma.

There seems to be something quite nefarious brewing with the Dante/Renee storyline, but I suspect now after a few more runs that Renee might be the actual mastermind as she claims Dante is submissive to Lorelei, and is the only woman he's been submissive to.

Granted maybe all of this "meta" knowledge is pointless, and what the characters say to you is only relevant to that particular playthrough. The only constant Ive been able to trigger is that Lorelei's mind control sequence is locked if you give her back her ring.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on January 03, 2025, 10:14:41 am
Well, I've hypnotized Emma in the cafe and on a seperate playthrough, at work. I want to know if it's possible to do both

I can't seem to figure out how to hypnotize Emma. Everything else I seem to understand or at least have a chain to follow to guarantee hypnosis/master/slave dynamic but she eludes me. Even Renee's bathroom scene i can get consistently.

I am curious if Allison being a sex-slave in the morning is required, as sp far the only times I have gotten Emma to be at coffee and the rest of the hypnosis scenes is if I've jacked Allisons libido up too.

Also, you can hypnotize her at work? In all my playthroughs I've never seen that. The amount of options in this comic/game is quite incredible. No wonder it took so long to release.

I suppose on that note, is there more to Allison and the master/slave dynamic before Dante and Renee's? I only ever get her to call me Master (without having said to) where it catches the player off gaurd.





Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on January 03, 2025, 10:20:47 am
A big congrats to Daphne and everyone involved in producing this! I can’t imagine the amount of work and brain-frying code it took to produce this and make it run smoothly, while still being an immersive and hot story.

I’d also appreciate any pointers on how to get to a stage where you can overtly hypnotise people in the new chapter. While I’ve been able to get into Allison into trance state in Chapter 4, and did manage to hypnotise Renee with my cock in the cafe bathroom, I haven’t discovered any more scenes along those lines. I get the sense I may have to deviate from my usual routes to get there.

There's additional scenes with Lorelei if you've taken the ring/triggered the ring scenes from Dante and Renee's and established yourself as an overtly mindcontrol focused character. It allows you to hypnotize Lorelei, leading to both her Kneeling and giving you a BJ, and potentially anal if you so desire. I also had to deviate from my "cannon" playthrough to even know this was possible, as my standard options only lead to me giving the ring back to Lorelei (something I was happy to do).

The scene that eludes me so far is anything with Emma beyond a casual /slightly flirty cafe. I don't get any prompts for a hypnosis or more flirty thing to her no matter which options I've gone with. Nothing overt like the options for the other women whom I have been "successful" in dominating anyway.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 03, 2025, 11:37:15 am
Discussion questions, probably I will come up with more.

1 I vaguely recall that there's a way to navigate the first scene that includes you telling Allison to get her breasts enlarged that doesn't result in her snapping abruptly out of trance, but I can't find it now. Am I misremembering? I may be remembering her getting more open to anal depending on your approach?

2 I've found three outfits for Emma on Thursday, two of which might be the same outfit presented in two different poses. I've gotten you to hypnotized Emma at the coffee shop but saw a reference to you hypnotizing her at work, is that a thing?

3 One time I managed to have you hypnotize Renee in the coffee shop (not in the restroom) and another time they've play-acted with you waggling your cock in her face in the restroom which didn't seem like Renee actually entering a trance state. Is there more to that?

4 Daphne suggested there was something more brutal than the scene where you hypnotize and attempt to enslave Lorelei. Brutality is in the eye of the beholder but I haven't seen anything that seems plausibly like what she's talking about, anybody have anything?

5 I don't remember what sets Lorelei off on Wednesday that leads to her spinning the incubus story, though eighteen months ago I'd figured it out. Also the only pre-chapter-5 new content I've stumbled across is a brief sequence while you hypnotize Allison late Wednesday night, where you can push her into a "tradwife" fantasy. Anyone have anything there?

6 Speaking very generally my perception is that the paths through the game mostly don't have mutually exclusive scenes (you don't have to choose between coffee with Emma and coffee with Renee, for instance) and that there aren't any sex scenes you can lock yourself out of by opting for a different sex scene instead (obviously you can only redeem the voucher with Allison once, but not getting the voucher doesn't as far as I know unlock an otherwise-hidden scene where Allison helps you seduce Emma, or anything like that). Am I wrong?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 03, 2025, 11:39:15 am
Hypnotizing Emma in the café, while possible, is one of the "narrowest" paths in the game to date (in that there is the least variation of choices that will lead to it), so don't feel you're missing something obvious. :-)


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: hereno on January 03, 2025, 12:07:41 pm
5 I don't remember what sets Lorelei off on Wednesday that leads to her spinning the incubus story, though eighteen months ago I'd figured it out. Also the only pre-chapter-5 new content I've stumbled across is a brief sequence while you hypnotize Allison late Wednesday night, where you can push her into a "tradwife" fantasy. Anyone have anything there?

Might have gotten buried down below:

I think I found a piece of content in chapter 4 that's new, Allison as tradwife. Now, though, I'm trying to replicate a thing I eventually managed with hereno's advisement in 2023, get Allison to declare herself your sex slave without Annie being your sex slave as well, and the method I claimed worked in 2023 doesn't (more likely my bad note-taking than a change to the content).

Since this is from earlier chapters, I can answer these.

The Allison tradwife path ("Let's talk about you being my maid" through four stages) is old; was there all along.

There's a couple paths to Allison's self-declaration as slave, but an easy one is to get the explicit commitment out of Annie and then reject her.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: hereno on January 03, 2025, 12:16:30 pm
1 I vaguely recall that there's a way to navigate the first scene that includes you telling Allison to get her breasts enlarged that doesn't result in her snapping abruptly out of trance, but I can't find it now. Am I misremembering? I may be remembering her getting more open to anal depending on your approach?

This is old too, so I'll answer: pretty sure Allison always snaps out of it when you ask about her boobs. No way around that.

With anal, she can suggest starting with a finger sometime.

Generally: she's most receptive if you go through all the "speed" options (you have a long sex session) and you don't stop to look at your phone.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 03, 2025, 12:39:10 pm
Generally: she's most receptive if you go through all the "speed" options (you have a long sex session) and you don't stop to look at your phone.

This is largely true of women in real life as well.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: hereno on January 03, 2025, 12:42:21 pm
Generally: she's most receptive if you go through all the "speed" options (you have a long sex session) and you don't stop to look at your phone.

This is largely true of women in real life as well.

No spoilers!


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 03, 2025, 12:53:47 pm
Question Daphne, for those of us who didn't beta test, are we allowed to guide people to certain options? Or is that also something you would prefer wait the 2 weeks?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Daphne on January 03, 2025, 12:54:41 pm
Question Daphne, for those of us who didn't beta test, are we allowed to guide people to certain options? Or is that also something you would prefer wait the 2 weeks?

There are no restrictions on what you can say here. I asked Hereno to hold back for a bit because of his inside information.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 03, 2025, 01:08:33 pm
1 I vaguely recall that there's a way to navigate the first scene that includes you telling Allison to get her breasts enlarged that doesn't result in her snapping abruptly out of trance, but I can't find it now. Am I misremembering? I may be remembering her getting more open to anal depending on your approach?

This is old too, so I'll answer: pretty sure Allison always snaps out of it when you ask about her boobs. No way around that.

With anal, she can suggest starting with a finger sometime.

Generally: she's most receptive if you go through all the "speed" options (you have a long sex session) and you don't stop to look at your phone.

1 I must have been misremembering! I also thought that she was more receptive to anal if you went through to her second orgasm, but checking just now I see I was wrong about that, also.
5 I guess in the past I stopped the tradwife fantasy before getting all the way to the end of it, as I am pretty sure I hadn't seen the very end of it before.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on January 03, 2025, 01:54:21 pm
Hypnotizing Emma in the café, while possible, is one of the "narrowest" paths in the game to date (in that there is the least variation of choices that will lead to it), so don't feel you're missing something obvious. :-)

Well, at least now I know I've just gotta deviate further from my preffered routes. I haven't yet figured out if causing Allisons hypnotism in the morning of this phase 4, instead of overnight, is the requirement. Frankly, I don't even remember how I got her to that state in the first place.

I don't expect people to know this answer necessarily,  but I just wanted to throw it out there in case somebody does establish it that isn't Hereno.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 03, 2025, 02:10:45 pm
Hypnotizing Emma in the café, while possible, is one of the "narrowest" paths in the game to date (in that there is the least variation of choices that will lead to it), so don't feel you're missing something obvious. :-)

Well, at least now I know I've just gotta deviate further from my preffered routes. I haven't yet figured out if causing Allisons hypnotism in the morning of this phase 4, instead of overnight, is the requirement. Frankly, I don't even remember how I got her to that state in the first place.

I don't expect people to know this answer necessarily,  but I just wanted to throw it out there in case somebody does establish it that isn't Hereno.

For me, getting Emma hypnotized at the cafe required achieving what I believe is the max dom route, and also not being interested in sharing. Essentially if you can get to the route where you hypnotize Allison to be faithful after visiting Renee and Dante, you should? be good, but if that isn't the case I can spell out more fully what I did.

One thing I did notice, there is an indicator after your Emma chat, and when you talk with Lorelei, the Emma chat will say something along the lines of you aren't sure of her intentions with the offer or somesuch, and when you bring her up with Lorelei, she will not comment on you not knowing when a woman is off limits, going for a different line, which I now forget.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: JorgeTulio on January 03, 2025, 05:39:54 pm


2 I've found three outfits for Emma on Thursday, two of which might be the same outfit presented in two different poses. I've gotten you to hypnotized Emma at the coffee shop but saw a reference to you hypnotizing her at work, is that a thing?
?

Yeah, you hypnotize her at work after the cafe. Not sure what I did to cause it. Plus if you do it at work, you can give her Renee's card which I'm sure will be helpful down the line. I just got to one different outfit for Emma. I didn't even know there were different outfits til I saw your post


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: JorgeTulio on January 03, 2025, 05:45:03 pm
Hypnotizing Emma in the café, while possible, is one of the "narrowest" paths in the game to date (in that there is the least variation of choices that will lead to it), so don't feel you're missing something obvious. :-)
Basically what I did was have to ask very specific questions to be able to hypnotize her at the cafe. One was asking about her project and then ot gives you a few things to say and you need to make sure you say the right thing. Wrong thing and she leaves. Basically keep asking questions that keep her happy to talk and after a while say deep breaths. I recommend saving before starting the conversation with Emma and restoring to be able to do the right choices. That's basically how I did it


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 03, 2025, 05:49:35 pm


2 I've found three outfits for Emma on Thursday, two of which might be the same outfit presented in two different poses. I've gotten you to hypnotized Emma at the coffee shop but saw a reference to you hypnotizing her at work, is that a thing?
?

Yeah, you hypnotize her at work after the cafe. Not sure what I did to cause it. Plus if you do it at work, you can give her Renee's card which I'm sure will be helpful down the line. I just got to one different outfit for Emma. I didn't even know there were different outfits til I saw your post

Renee's card? How do you get that?

As an aside, I'm very curious if Renee is always a controlling force like she is in the one route where Lorelei is scared of going to the party (iirc facts, like Renee's job, are always the same), but for now she is deff the character that has interested me the most, no small part because hypnotizing the hypnotherapist is incredibly hot.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 03, 2025, 06:17:45 pm
Hypnotizing Emma in the café, while possible, is one of the "narrowest" paths in the game to date (in that there is the least variation of choices that will lead to it), so don't feel you're missing something obvious. :-)
Basically what I did was have to ask very specific questions to be able to hypnotize her at the cafe. One was asking about her project and then ot gives you a few things to say and you need to make sure you say the right thing. Wrong thing and she leaves. Basically keep asking questions that keep her happy to talk and after a while say deep breaths. I recommend saving before starting the conversation with Emma and restoring to be able to do the right choices. That's basically how I did it

You have to establish that you're capable of hypnosis first, though


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: JorgeTulio on January 03, 2025, 08:22:26 pm
Finally was able to hypnotize Lorelei. Turns out I just needed to be worse


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 03, 2025, 10:06:37 pm
So, at first I thought it was a bug, but now I'm wondering, there are a few times where decisions during entirely separate conversations, in different chapters, will result in the same image appearing. Are these different instances of unlocking that option/aspect/route?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 03, 2025, 10:10:46 pm

2 I've found three outfits for Emma on Thursday, two of which might be the same outfit presented in two different poses. I've gotten you to hypnotized Emma at the coffee shop but saw a reference to you hypnotizing her at work, is that a thing?

Cook naked, collared Annie photo, don't talk to Allison about Annie, tell Emma she would get along with Allison, tell Lorelei you've been hypnotizing Allison, tell Lorelei about Emma, get three blowjobs from Allison and Renee, use your magic fingers on Allison to encourage her wanting to share you with other women, hypnotize Allison in the morning, meet Emma for coffee, hypnotize Emma. I've gotten her to flash you and to text you a nude, I imagine that's as much as there is in terms of content in this chapter as opposed to setup for phase 5.

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3 One time I managed to have you hypnotize Renee in the coffee shop (not in the restroom) and another time they've play-acted with you waggling your cock in her face in the restroom which didn't seem like Renee actually entering a trance state. Is there more to that?

I don't keep good enough track to determine what determines whether a) you hypnotize Renee into giving you a blowjob in the coffee shop restroom, b) Renee gives you a blowjob in the restroom without hypnosis happening, c) Renee tells you she's a hypnotherapist, or d) none of these things happen.  There's a path where Renee gives you her business card and then afterwards you use that as a prop to hypnotize Emma at work? I'd love to hear more about that.

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4 Daphne suggested there was something more brutal than the scene where you hypnotize and attempt to enslave Lorelei. Brutality is in the eye of the beholder but I haven't seen anything that seems plausibly like what she's talking about, anybody have anything?

None of the stuff with Emma or Renee that I've found comes close to the Lorelei sequence so this is still an open question. I did at one point manage to set it up so that you receive an anonymous ring emoji text message in Dante and Renee's bathroom, which alerts you to Lorelei's ring, which raises the question of who on earth would be in a position to do that and why they would.

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5 I don't remember what sets Lorelei off on Wednesday that leads to her spinning the incubus story, though eighteen months ago I'd figured it out. Also the only pre-chapter-5 new content I've stumbled across is a brief sequence while you hypnotize Allison late Wednesday night, where you can push her into a "tradwife" fantasy. Anyone have anything there?

I'm sure I could work back to this if I poke at it but I'm more curious about the pre-Chapter 5 new content that's been mentioned. It may be small adjustments that I simply haven't noticed (I admit I don't read too carefully when I'm going through yet another playthrough), rather than full, previously-absent scenes.

I had forgotten that if you keep your antics sufficiently vanilla the game ends at the close of Chapter 4, as you and Allison simply settle into domestic bliss. It's a nice touch.

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6 Speaking very generally my perception is that the paths through the game mostly don't have mutually exclusive scenes (you don't have to choose between coffee with Emma and coffee with Renee, for instance) and that there aren't any sex scenes you can lock yourself out of by opting for a different sex scene instead (obviously you can only redeem the voucher with Allison once, but not getting the voucher doesn't as far as I know unlock an otherwise-hidden scene where Allison helps you seduce Emma, or anything like that). Am I wrong?

If there's a situation where leaving Lorelei's ring, for instance, unlocks something later on you miss if you're distracted by comforting/enslaving your longtime lover, I haven't seen it. Or one where skipping the face-to-face meeting with Lorelei on Wednesday unlocks something...?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 03, 2025, 10:12:00 pm
So, at first I thought it was a bug, but now I'm wondering, there are a few times where decisions during entirely separate conversations, in different chapters, will result in the same image appearing. Are these different instances of unlocking that option/aspect/route?

I don't think it's a bug, rather there are multiple scenes which can trigger memories or fantasies that are similar enough to one another they can be illustrated the same way.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Flintnsteal on January 03, 2025, 10:18:31 pm

I don't keep good enough track to determine what determines whether a) you hypnotize Renee into giving you a blowjob in the coffee shop restroom, b) Renee gives you a blowjob in the restroom without hypnosis happening, c) Renee tells you she's a hypnotherapist, or d) none of these things happen.  There's a path where Renee gives you her business card and then afterwards you use that as a prop to hypnotize Emma at work? I'd love to hear more about that.


For Renee telling you shes a hypnotherapist, as far as I've seen it depends on you complimenting her boobs/asking how her work is, verses thanking her for the blowjob. Not to say this is the only determinant, but that seems to influence it.


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Vidor on January 04, 2025, 12:16:12 am
Is this the right place to point out apparent inconsistencies?  Also is there a spoiler blocking method in this forum we should be using for the first while after the new release?

Are you coming to a forum specifically dedicated to discussing "Starter Marriage", and asking for spoiler warnings?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: Haight on January 04, 2025, 03:35:09 am
I haven't seen it and don't know if it exists, but on the morning of the last chapter, it's possible to get a scene where Allison asks if you're doing anything to her. Is it possible to be able to tell her that you are doing something to her instead of dancing around the issue?


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: jwik01 on January 04, 2025, 08:02:32 am
I haven't seen it and don't know if it exists, but on the morning of the last chapter, it's possible to get a scene where Allison asks if you're doing anything to her. Is it possible to be able to tell her that you are doing something to her instead of dancing around the issue?

The only options I've seen there are "dance around the issue" and "dance around the issue leading into hypnotizing her and having sex with her."


Title: Re: Starter Marriage, Phase 4
Post by: ktc1221 on January 04, 2025, 12:53:59 pm
I haven't seen it and don't know if it exists, but on the morning of the last chapter, it's possible to get a scene where Allison asks if you're doing anything to her. Is it possible to be able to tell her that you are doing something to her instead of dancing around the issue?

The only options I've seen there are "dance around the issue" and "dance around the issue leading into hypnotizing her and having sex with her."

I also have never seen an "yes I'm hypnotizing you". It's only ever sway her further or not.

Ive managed a, idk what to call this, full harem run? Shocking I'm sure to everyone present but if you are a bit manipulative at the start by choosong "nothing important" and tell Lorelei you are using hypnosis , and then taking the ring at Dante and Renees it seems by chapter 4 you can get every female you've been able to interact with to be your sex slave or at least en route. I was able to even get Emma under hypnosis on this particular route, both at the cafe to give initial instructions and she flashed me at the office afterwards despite not explicitly asking her to do so. I did not ever get Renee's business card, so perhaps there's other routes still to be found but I am pleased as punch to have finally cracked Emma.

As Flintnsteal here put it, perhaps Dominant Harem is the best name for this particular playthrough and tempo.