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Here is the flow of the game, to the best of my knowledge. Happy to modify/update this as people figure out more stuff / prove me wrong. This won't have every option or option-set included; I'm focusing on the ones I think a) I understand and b) have a big story impact.

1. A PHONE PINGS

What do you do?
This sets whether your primary focus is on your girlfriend Allison or your ex-wife Annie.

• "Now is not the time" I think increases your interest in sex
• "Something tells you" I think increases your interest in love
• "Sneak a peak" I think increases your selfishness
• If you try to text Annie back immediately, you will skip the sex and MC below

NOTE: This, the very first decision in the entire game, seems to have a major impact on the direction of the story. I don't fully understand it yet, but this is not a trivial choice.

And then...
This will set whether, and how much, mind control (MC) you are doing to Allison. It also influences how horny/nympho you and she are.

• "Stop" to start the MC, but note the below bullets
• Pick a speed option "Slow down / speed up / keep speed" to increase your horniness/libido. If you "snuck a peak" at the text with Annie, you will need to do this for the MC to work.
• If you don't pick a "Stop" option, you will not MC Allison here, but you might later in Ch. 4: The Girlfriend Experience

GENERAL NOTE: While you might think you always want to maximize Allison's and your horniness/libido, the game is more nuanced than that. It appears to have a spectrum from "prioritize sex" (high libido) to "prioritize control" (low libido). In other words, if her libido is high, she'll want to have sex with other men besides you; and if your libido is high, your character will like that idea. On the low libido end of the spectrum, the game is much more about your character trying to control the people around him. So if you're ever given the option to NOT have sex, you actually might want to take that option!

"Well, in that case," you say...
This is the option set you get after choosing "Stop" above. This is you MCing Allison. Your choice picks what kind of person you're turning her into.

• "You will let me come in your mouth" to increase her horniness
• "You will cook and serve dinner naked tomorrow" to start her on a maid/domestic path (I pick this basically every time, because why would you not?)
• "You will let me fuck you in the ass" if you want anal to be in the game
• "You will get your breasts enlarged" to start her on a breast expansion path (there are other ways to do this later)

What do you do?
This is a choice to finish with a blowjob or missionary. Sounds harmless, but it seems to have some major consequences.

• "You gently tease her legs apart" will have you finish in missionary; this also seems to reduce Allison's libido
• "Speaking of swallowing" will have you finish with a blowjob; this also seems to increase Allison's libido. This option also later unlocks the blowjob voucher and pushes Allison towards offering to distract Dante (another man) "with a blowjob" when you first discuss dinner with him.

Replying to Annie's text
This will set what kind of character you, yourself, are playing.

• "My weird ex" appears to set your character up as more of a "good boyfriend" than a "mind controller," which affects your standing with future characters
• "Nothing important" appears to set your character up as more of a "mind controller" than a "good boyfriend," which affects your standing with future characters

GENERAL NOTE: Where most multipath stories are "choose forwards," in that your decisions affect what happens next, Starter Marriage is also "choose backwards," in that your decisions determine what has already happened. So making decisions consistent with "mind controller" will mean that certain other characters are already under some level of your control, but making decisions consistent with "good boyfriend" will mean that these characters are not under your control (yet). This "choose backwards" characteristic is true throughout the text, across a range of elements.

The next morning...
If Allison is horny, she'll fuck you awake; no options here. If not, you will have an option to sleep in or not:

• "...get up a bit earlier than usual" appears to push you towards a "good boyfriend" route
• "...you decide to sleep in" appears to push you towards a "mind controller" route

2. MEMORY LANE

You find one that reminds you of...
I think this sets what your character is most interested in. Not sure.

• "... that time with Natalia" to demonstrate interest in other women
• "... that time with the guy" to demonstrate interest in hotwifing
• "... wait. You hear familiar noises from the shower" makes Allison hornier, apparently more interested in Dante, and unlocks the blowjob voucher later (this option only appears if she fucked you awake just before)

So, you...
This sets a couple of your relationships. You can only select two of these.

• "See what you can find on the Internet" gives you some information on what Annie has become since she left you
• "Call Annie" seems to increase your interest in Annie (and bringing her home)
• "Call a friend who might know what's up" is the first way that Lorelei, an old flame, can be introduced into the story
• "... head off to work" will skip all other options

You reply...
Your first text conversation with Annie. THIS SETS THE TYPE OF MC IN THE STORY. (Though this continues to update throughout the game.) This includes multiple option sets. Too many options here to list out, but you're really looking for the picture that appears on your phone. These appear to have a major impact on the direction and tone of the story.

• Collar = hypnotism = mindless (a mean tone)
• Apron = spell = lovestruck (a lovey tone)
• Alley = brainwashing = nympho (a slutty tone)

NOTE: This was actually changed with the release of Ch. 5: Relationship Goals. Basically, collar and alley were flipped; they each do what the other used to do. The alley path also leads to Allison referring to herself as a "fuckbot" later, thus implying a more tech-focused MC.

Then you...
This helps determine how open/transparent you are with Allison.

• "... call Allison" will inform Allison of your intentions with Annie; this seems to set you on a "good boyfriend" path
• "...get to work" will keep Allison blissfully ignorant; this seems to set you on a "mind controller" path

Time for...
This will help determine Allison's path... I think.

• "... you to talk about the texts with Annie" sets up the potential to text Annie afterwards. This also sets up the potential to see Allison in a trance state in bed later.
• "...bed"/"...other activities" will skip the above

What do you do?
This scene gives you some options to set your relationship with Annie, and possibly get a brief trance scene with Allison.

• "...cuddle" skips texting with Annie
• "...bring up Annie's request" appears to put your towards a "good boyfriend" path
• "...text Annie [whatever]" seems to set up a few things: you could reject Annie here; you could confirm that you'll see Annie here, which I think makes it impossible to get the "explicit commitment" later, but which lets you text with her a little; or you could say "still deciding," which won't change anything, but will still get you the extra scene in bed
• If you texted anything to Annie, you'll get an extra scene with Allison in bed. She might be aware and flirty with you, or she may be in a trance state, depending on prior choices. If she is in a trance state, then her first sentence will be more intelligible the hornier you've made her.

The next morning...
Whether you get the trance state or not, Allison will "murmur" something towards the end. Bunch of possible options here.

• "Please" on its own is I think the 'worst' result, or at least the least trusting/subby
• "Please fuck your..." is the horniest result; I think this is determined if you got a blowjob in the previous chapter OR if you visited Allison in the shower at the start of this chapter
• "...girlfriend" indicates she's going the girlfriend route
• "...maid, sir" indicates she's going the maid/slave route
• "...wife" indicates she's going the domestic route
• "...slutwife" I think indicates she's going the poly/cheating/sharing route
• "...my love" indicates you're on a lovey path

1) Pretty sure that calling Lorelei or not doesn't control whether you're having an affair with her, it's the "nothing important" vs "my weird ex" that does that. If you tell Allison it's nothing important, but then don't call or text Lorelei and this don't meet with her, then later on at Dante and Renee's there's an amusing bit where somebody mentions her and then the narrative does a quick aside about how oh, by the way, it hasn't come up but you're sleeping with her on the down-low.

2) The thing about being more honest with Allison leading to less "horniness/subbiness" I think makes sense if you frame it as how much you treat her as your equal versus control and manipulate her. Think of it as increasing your Dom stat, not increasing her Sub stat, and it hangs together. If you don't tell Allison more than the bare nonoptional minimum, it makes you dominant enough that then when you finally tell her (via text) that you're going to be spending the weekend with another woman, she simply accepts it without protest.

Edit: this also clarifies why you lose the capacity to turn down Renee's blowjob offer if you didn't tell Allison about Annie: nothing to do with Allison directly, your Dom stat is just too high. Get it high enough and you can respond to the offer by commanding her "Drop." which I think is pretty good.

3) I'm unconvinced that horniness and subbiness are two separate stars, anyway.

4) The differences between the collar, apron, and alley options are pretty minimal in the extant content, though it might seem like there would be substantial differences between "love spell" and "brainwashing"

I know that calling Lorelei at this point absolutely locks it in that you're having an affair.

They are definitely different. There are a couple of indicators around this; it became clear to me in The Girlfriend Experience, which I still need to write out the flow for.

You're correct... so far. I'm guessing they will have major ramifications down the road.

3. THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT

You...
Allison's message to you may or may not include a voucher for a free blow job (this is determined by EITHER 1. you got and then chose to shower with her at the start of Ch. 2: Memory Lane, or 2. you chose "Speaking of swallowing..." at the end of your first sex scene with Allison). If you get it, you can redeem it later; it will increase her connection to you. Depending on prior choices, you either must answer a text from Annie here, or you get a few other texting options. I'll focus on the Annie text first.

You reply...
This starts your next conversation with your ex-wife, Annie. The image depends on which image you got during your first text convo with Annie (collar = green dress, apron = gold dress, alley = Batman?). There are a lot of permutations here; basically, you can use this to set your relationship to Annie. At least some of the options include:

• You and Annie agree to have sex again
• You agree to help Annie (maybe platonically? I'm not sure if that's possible, but I think it might be)
• You get Annie to agree to be your slave/fuckdoll ("I'm going to need an explicit commitment"); the "explicit commitment" here also seems necessary to get Allison to self-identify as a slave later
• You reject Annie altogether

I think this is where you lock in the type of MC for this run (hypnotism, spell, brainwashing); I don't think it can be changed after this. This will also reinforce what kind of path your character is on (mean/selfish, loving, horny).

ALSO: this affects what your character intends to do on Friday and the weekend:

• If you agreed to fly out to Annie, then you will do that
• If you didn't, then you will either a) later make plans to go on a road trip with Allison, or b) later make plans to go to a party/orgy at Dante and Renee's place (see below)

And then you...

• "...call Allison" will give you an update on Allison's status. Primarily, you'll be looking for what she says about Renee and Dante (if anything). This will indicate how open she is to you and Renee getting together, and how willing she is to get with Dante.
• "...text Lorelei/your friend" will set you up for a long conversation with her in a short while
• "...head off to work" avoids the above options and progresses the story

If you text Lorelei
There are a lot of permutations here. The image of Lorelei you get here I think indicates whether she's feeling dominant (kissing Annie) or submissive (a skull pillow) towards you or not having an affair with you at all (corset). I believe your choices indicate who your character (and therefore your run) is focusing on.

At your office
This introduces Emma, a coworker. Basically this is a short scene to set your level of interest in her -- and her comfort level with you. But you can ask her to get coffee to try to start an affair/romance; sometimes some naked images of her appear (as a fantasy your character is having) if you choose certain options (these change depending on prior choices).

• The hornier your character is, the more likely she is to respond favorably to your advances ("We should grab coffee sometime")
• If you talk about the "usual life stress," she may still show interest in you in later chapters
• Talking about Annie generally drives her away

Conversation with Lorelei
This only occurs if you texted her earlier in this chapter. There are a lot of permutations here. At a very high level:

• You might be having an affair with Lorelei, or not, depending on prior choices
• You might have sex with her here, or not
• You can talk about Annie; this appears to set things like whether you desire to bring Annie back home with you or how much you want her as your slave
• You can talk about Allison; depending on your choices, you could: indicate your preference for Allison seeing other men; indicate that you, personally, have already been mind controlling Allison, or not; determine whether and how to tell Allison about your a) current or b) possibly future relationship with Lorelei
• You can express sexual interest with some of the other women you've encountered, which the game will remember for who you're focusing on
• You could indicate that you're afraid Allison is cheating on you; if you do, you might get Lorelei to ask around about it, which has potentially large consequences later

If you do wind up having sex with Lorelei, she sometimes acts dominant towards you... but under certain conditions, she's more submissive.

• If you're going for a more "loving boyfriend" route with Allison as opposed to "mind controller," Lorelei will be dominant; if the reverse, then she'll be more submissive
• If she's submissive, you'll have an option to receive head from her. This option will be phrased as either "ask her" or "tell her," which I believe signals how much control you're exerting over her. This appears to be keyed to your libido/horniness: only if it's very low will you get the "tell her" option.
• Similar to the above point: when you choose to go into missionary with her, this will be framed as either "slide into her" or "take her," I think following the same logic as above.

While you're having sex with her, Lorelei will give you some indicators as to the nature of the story. She might talk about:

• Her feelings on cheating on Allison with you
• You having sex with Allison and Annie
• You and Dante swapping girlfriends/wives
• MCing Emma
• Musing whether you're MCing her
• The nature of the mind control happening: brainwashing/spell/hypnotism, your "magic fingers," or a snake-incubus, and if you think I'm kidding about that, I absolutely promise you I am not

After sex with her, you'll get an image of her in bed: if you at some point in the conversation said that Allison has been "sexual in new ways," then Lorelei will be hugging a red pillow and looking concerned (and she will say she is concerned about Allison); if you didn't, then she will be lying back and looking satisfied, and will not mention being concerned.

At home with Allison
You'll be getting ready for your dinner at Dante and Renee's here. Options will depend on prior choices, but they ought to be some combination of:

• "...head to dinner" is the basic, 'default' one to just go
• "...bring up your conversation with Lorelei" will tee up a later conversation about your relationship with Lorelei to Allison
• "...use your voucher" will progress Allison's relationship to you; I think it increases both horniness and subbiness, but you will lose the voucher afterwards

GENERAL NOTE: This is where the voucher becomes an option, and you get a couple of chances to use it from here on out. It's not clear to me if it matters when you use the voucher; so far as I can tell, it will have the same effect regardless of when you use it. I will say that the "roadside blowjob" in Ch. 4: The Girlfriend Experience will expend the voucher if you have not already used it.

At Dante and Renee's
Two possible images right at the start: one where Allison is looking at Renee (meaning she's not interested in poly/sharing/hotwifing/swapping), and one where Allison is looking at Dante (meaning she is). Depending on prior choices, your options will be some combination of:

• "Oh! Let me help" will kick off a conversation between you and Renee about Lorelei (if you visited Lorelei earlier) or Allison (if you didn't)
• "Excuse me for a moment" will have you look at a text on your phone in the bathroom. Under certain conditions (not clear to me what), you will also find a ring there, which you can either leave or take. The ring is a powerful magic item of Lorelei's. This has major story ramifications later; Daphne has confirmed that leaving the ring vs not seeing the ring at all have different consequences. Afterwards, you will go into a conversation with Renee about Annie.
• "Take Allison's arm" will skip the conversation with Renee altogether

Conversation with Renee
This can potentially begin an affair with Renee, but I think it's also potentially setting a few other things based on options. NOTE: sometimes, based on prior choices (I think if your libido is high), you will have no choice but to get a blowjob from the stacked blonde.

• You can start an affair with Renee, or not, here
• You can openly declare that you are mind controlling Allison here (through "No point in being mad at her forever")
• You can state your level of interest in Annie here
• You can indicate how poly/open you and Allison are
• If you pick "I'm just hoping to fuck her" -> "She's more than just accepting," then you'll also get to touch Renee's breasts -- and choose to tell her how to blow you. Not clear on what impact any of this has, but if you order her to "Drop," she calls you "sir."

Dante's living room
When you arrive, there are a few permutations on what might be happening. This will indicate where Allison's head is at regarding Dante.

• If Renee blew you, Allison will be kneeling and saying "...if you wish" or "...if you wish me to" in the text, implying they are talking about having sex in the future
• If Renee didn't and if you accepted Annie, she'll be sitting on the couch and saying "...if he fucks her" or "...if they end up in bed," which implies that she's discussing swapping/poly/hotwifing with Dante
• If Renee didn't and if you rejected Annie, she'll be sitting on the couch and saying "...he'd fuck her" or "...would have fucked her." I think the idea is that Dante asked if Annie wanted to fuck you, and Allison is saying that she doubts you would fuck her.

As for your options here:

• "...Renee's boobs" will, under certain conditions (I'm not sure what), get Allison interested in getting a boob job, which will open future dialogue options
• Then there are a bunch of other options, but I have no earthly idea what effect any of them have
• NOTE: no matter which option you pick, the dialogue that follows is very... non sequitur. Feels like a programming bug; a bunch of dialogue is getting pulled that isn't supposed to. From Daphne:
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  Regarding the non sequitur-ness of the conversation in the living room with Dante, Renée, Allison, and the protag, it's working as designed. It was more or less an attempt to capture the kind of randomness of free-flowing conversations between friends... level of success for that left up to the reader.

NOTE: Dante and Renee will always (I think) invite you to a party (orgy) at their place later. If you're flying out to see Annie, you'll decline for now (since you'll be out of town), but Allison may or may not decide to go on her own. If you rejected Annie, then you and Allison may both agree to go; if you don't do so, then you and Allison will later plan to go on a road trip together.

Outside Dante and Renee's
You see an even more stacked, even more blonde woman than Renee in a window, naked. Again, there are worse things in life. Your character may or may not recognize this woman; I think this is tied to your libido (if it's high, you'll recognize her). This is Paula, your ex. The decision you make will indicate whether your character is focusing on Paula in this run.

4. THE GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE
This chapter is much shorter and simpler than the previous one, but it has a ton of permutations.

GENERAL NOTE: There are a lot of very subtle text indicators throughout this whole chapter. I'll try to note the ones I'm aware of. Keep a particular eye out for numbers... they change a lot from runthrough to runthrough.

With Allison in the car
Your exact conversation will heavily depend on prior choices, but broadly: you and she will have a discussion first about your other relationships:

• Dark/shadowed images mean Allison is not happy; bright/colorful images mean that she is (what makes her mad or happy is dependent on a million prior choices)
• Her facial expressions are strong indicators of what she's feeling
• You may find yourself locked into option sets you don't like, e.g., your character might totally love sharing with Dante
• If you rejected Annie and turned down Dante and Renee's party invitation, then you will plan to go on a road trip here
• If you lie to her here (e.g., you claim that nothing happened between you and Renee when something did), it makes Allison accept her programming (if you go that route later) 1 step sooner

After this, you and Allison might have a conversation about your own relationship. There are a number of indicators in this exchange: she might use phrases like "love you," "trust you," "want to be with you," "be your sex-slave"... or not, depending on her current state.

• "Finish the drive home" will skip the following and take you straight home
• "Is everything OK?" will get her to talk about how subby she's feeling towards you; picking this option may give you the roadside blowjob option
• "You've been delightfully sexual lately!" will get her to talk about what a nympho she's becoming; picking this option increases her horniness (she'll later have an additional 1 or 2 orgasms post-sex) and may give you the roadside blowjob option
• "Next time, I'll ask/order you to join us" only triggers if you had a blowjob from Renee, Allison knows about it, and she's ok with it; picking this option increases her horniness (she'll later have an additional 2 orgasms post-sex) and may give you the roadside blowjob option

After this, you might get an option for a roadside blowjob.

• If you have, but haven't used, the voucher, you will expend it here
• "...finish the drive home" will skip this
• If you get the blowjob, there are a number of indicators in the text. The length or brevity of Allison's pause indicates how subby she is; "No hesitation" means she's max subby. If she calls you "Master," that's another indicator. She will also tell you if she wants you to start calling her by a nickname; might be "sex-toy," might be "fuck-doll," might be "sex-slave." It's a good life.
• If you get the blowjob, it makes Allison accept her programming (if you go that route later) 2 steps sooner
• You can only get the "Tell me what you're thinking about right now" option (see below) by choosing the roadside blowjob

Back in the apartment
How Allison greets you here is another indicator of her mental state; I think it keys off of her horniness, but I know there can be some very angry permutations in here. Your options are:

• "Ignore it" just goes straight into the bedroom
• "Excuse yourself" to see a text from Annie, Lorelei, or a mysterious unknown number; you may also have a brief text from Renee; and you may also then send a text to Lorelei, to update her on where you're at with Allison. If the text is from Annie, this appears to increase your interest in Annie and bringing her home.
• If you haven't used the voucher yet, this is your last chance to do it in this chapter

In the bedroom
It's been a long game. You deserve a reward. This scene is where you get it.

• "I have something I want to do to you" will get you to finger-fuck, and thus MC, Allison
• "With pleasure" starts a sex scene
• "With your mouth first" has Allison start... with her mouth first. This one's a bit strange, but it appears to nudge her in the opposite direction of wherever she's leaning on the breast-expansion path (as in, if she's leaning towards it, this will nudge her off, and vice versa).

"I have something I want to do to you"
If you pick this option, you will now attempt to program Allison. Good old-fashioned red-meat mind control. There are a ton of possible options that may or may not be available here, based on a million prior decisions. They will be some combination of:

• "Let's talk about other women" will attempt to make Allison accept your other relationships (if she hasn't done so already)
• "You're getting so turned on" will attempt to make Allison a cock-hungry nympho
• "Let's talk about you being my maid" will attempt to make Allison domestic
• "Let's talk about you being completely faithful" will attempt to make Allison avoid all other men
• "Let's talk about our relationship" will attempt to make Allison a slave (if she doesn't identify that way already)
• "Let's talk about you being more adventurous" will attempt to make Allison a stripper / porn star / whore
• "Let's talk about anal sex" will attempt to make Allison want anal
• "Let's talk about you getting a boob job" will attempt to make Allison get bigger tits
• "Tell me what you're thinking about right now" <- THIS IS THE BIG ONE and it's the hardest to get. She has to have her subbiness maxed; you have to have gotten the roadside blowjob; there seems to be another condition as well, which I believe is lying about your blowjob with Renee (if you did that). Allison will relate a long mind control fantasy; the first part will very slightly alter depending on which type of MC you've developed on this run (hypnotism/spell/brainwashing).

Success or failure of programming
This can get a little nuanced. Basically: every option (except the fantasy) has four "levels" of programming you might step through with Allison. She may accept the programming at any level; the higher her subbiness, the sooner she'll accept... although this does mean you won't see any of the further "levels" or their associated images, which sort of sucks. If she hasn't accepted by level four, she will reject. No idea what the consequences of acceptance or rejection are.

Afterwards, you'll (usually) have an option to either fuck her or come on her.

• "Fuck her": I'm about 90% certain that this decreases her horniness (because she's getting satiated). There are a ton of indicators in the text here: She will say "I've never felt so controlled/entranced/hypnotized" based on the type of MC you locked in. She will say "It feels like you're fucking my brains out..." if she's feeling objectified, and the more she does, the more elaborate that sentence gets. The text will say how long your sex scene lasts; the higher her horniness, the longer this is (I got it as far as "one hundred and three minutes," which isn't a fantasy, it's a nightmare (UPDATE: I think this has been patched and now won't go so high)). You will always come on her at the end, but this can either be because she asked or because you ordered; I believe this is set by her subbiness.
• "Come on her": You skip the sex scene and just come on her. I believe this keeps her horniness high (because she's not being satiated by sex).
  
• Where you come on her might have an effect... but I'm not sure what
• After you come on her, there are a number of indicators as to her mental state. She may call herself a "cum dumpster." She may have a fantasy of you jacking off onto her repeatedly. She may have a fantasy of other men jacking off onto her repeatedly.

"With pleasure"
This option will skip all the programming, but unlock some other avenues.

• "I have a question for you" will let you ask about your relationships. If she's been heavily MC'd, she will go into a trance and answer your question honestly; if not, she'll be teasing and flirty and more guarded in her answers.
• "Decide to explore her being your sex-slave" only occurs if you've gotten her to the slave-state already. You will get a large block of text in which your character asks a bunch of sexy questions. There are a billion permutations here based on your prior choices. This does seem to nudge her towards breast-expansion and becoming domestic.
• "Just enjoy her tonight" skips all of this and goes straight to the sex scene

In bed
Ah, bed. Finally time to relax... or is it? A number of indicators on this page. They include:

• How many orgasms she has; this indicates her current horniness level. This can be as little as zero (in which case she's wearing panties) and maxes out at twelve. NOTE: I don't think "more orgasms" is "better"; even if she's wearing panties, it might just mean she's satiated after a night of great sex!
• How many minutes she plays with herself. I'm not sure what determines this.
• Your character may or may not help her come by calling her a name, e.g., "my compliant fuck-toy." There are a number of permutations as to what this name might be; I think it's related to the type of MC.
• She may call herself a name, e.g., "your nympho sex-slave." NOTE: this may be a different name than the one you just used!

Dream sequence
A big part of the fun of this chapter. At the end, you might have a dream in which several images, with captions, will appear to you. These are indicators as to your character's headspace. There are a lot of these (seventeen that I remember), but you will never see more than five, and you may see fewer than that. SPOILER: Try not to get the one where Allison gets fucked by a space snake; you will never unsee that.

Game end
If you rejected Annie completely and have done little or no MC to Allison, the game will end here. And it's a sweet ending!

I could be wrong but I do not think your potential assertions to Lorelei and Renee about brainwashing Allison are meant to be taken seriously. :)

This doesn't match my experience.  Telling Allison "my weird ex" and then calling Lorelei yields this:

If you find a way to have that first call with Lorelei and then not end up having sex with her, let me know! But I just did "My weird ex"... and we still ended up fucking.

Oh, I misunderstood you, my mistake.

What has to happen to get the brief fantasy of Emma giving you a blowjob at the end of your conversation with her, and is it the same thing that's needed to get Lorelei to agree that Emma seems potentially interested when you tell her about Emma, and is that the same thing that gets Emma included in the list of women you can, at the close of chapter three, either bring up as part of your ersatz sex-slave quiz, or mesmerize Allison into accepting as another woman you will make into a slave (a list which seems to always include Annie, almost always include Lorelei, can but does not always include Renee, and one time I managed to get to include Emma)?

I’ve found there is more to first choice.  If you sneak a peak at the phone, Allison is less subby, permissive, and pliable throughout.

In my normal run, Allison is super subby and agrees to your first sexual request the first time, asks for pix of you with Annie, you play with Renee’s boobs before the blowjob, Allison responds to Renee’s blowjob by complaining you didn’t invite her or asking for a picture next time, she asks to be your sex-slave and gives you road head after leaving D&R’s, and any final option you choose (questions or the technique) works.

I did a few comparisons and the special technique doesn’t work the first try,  Allison is simply tolerant of you with Annie, you get the “technical virgin” lecture about Renee’s blowjob, Allison just wants to “give up some control”, and the special technique only works for two of the four options.

To set the type of MC:

There’s a couple rounds of questions, but Being hostile  to Annie in the texts gets you the collar and brainwashing option; simping for her gets you the alley and hypnosis option; the other choices lead to the love spell option.

First, thank you for this, hereno! It's magisterial. I'm not going to comment on it in detail (for obvious reasons), but it's really an amazing amount of work, and it's incredibly flattering that you took the time. And thank you also to jwik01 for your explorations. Starter Marriage is a lot of (pretty fun) work, so I'm pleased that people are enjoying it.

Regarding the non sequitur-ness of the conversation in the living room with Dante, Renée, Allison, and the protag, it's working as designed. It was more or less an attempt to capture the kind of randomness of free-flowing conversations between friends... level of success for that left up to the reader.

No one should feel bad about not finding every single option. The number of possible paths is already up to the "number of electrons in the universe" level.

I used the prompts above and got to


Which was pretty great.  Thanks.

Progress is saved in this story, yes?  I hope to return to this point.

The game remembers where you left off, yes. In addition, you can use the "Save" button at the bottom to create a manual save you can return to later.

Maybe I'm weird but I like the story better with hereno's prompts.  I liked being in cheat mode and taking the story where I wanted to see it go.

Would it be odd if I were to ask how to find the image with the snake?

Yes it would be odd. Do not try to see the space snake.

Here is the procedure:

• Do not try to see the space snake
• Do not try to see the space snake
• DO NOT TRY TO SEE THE SPACE SNAKE

What, you want more words? Ugh, fine.

• You need a high libido (fuck Allison all the way (through all the "speed" options) in the very first scene of the game)
• Reject Annie
• Tell Lorelei that Allison has been "sexual in new ways"

Pretty sure that's it. You'll want to make sure you read what Lorelei says while you're fucking her.

For trying to see the snake incubus, a couple of notes.

I did the things that Hereno said and didn't see it, in my first several attempts.  There seem to be two problems in showing the image.  First is setting up Allison so it is what is going on.  This means getting the right response of Lorelei during sex, which are the parts that Hereno idientified.  But then I got the right response from her and didn't get the image. After some fiddling I think I figured out why, I was generating too many other dream sequence possibilities (max seems to be four) and the incubus was not being shown (either due to random chance or lower priority). So my suggestion is to cut out the other edge case things that can generate dream options.  For me this included not pointing out the blonde in the window, not flirting with Emma, limiting options with Renee and Dante, not getting Allison's libido (exhibitionism?) so high that she's going to be a stripper (this seems to have a very high priority in images shown), etc.

You can only get one pendant image in the dream sequence, not more. (You could get none.) I believe the space snake counts as a pendant image for this purpose.

So I suppose you're right that your character needs to be on an MC path (as opposed to a good boyfriend path) to get any pendant image, and then I guess you need to make sure the space snake has prio over any other pendant option (although I believe that it does automatically).

Yes, you can only see a max of four images in the dream sequence, and you may see less than that, including zero. But only a max of one pendant image.

Also: do not try to see the space snake.

I don't know if the game has been updated but I have noticed a bunch of stuff in the last couple runthroughs that I didn't see before. One notable decision in Renee's bathroom in particular (on certain paths).

Daphne is saying on the other thread that positions in the game will be reset.  I hope Hereno posts an updated guide.

Of course, it's up to him if he does or not! I've asked him to wait a week or two before providing "cheat sheet"-level information, to allow people to explore on their own.

Buddies, you bet your butts I'm writing up an updated guide. At Daphne's request, I'll give you all two weeks to discover stuff on your own. Maybe you'll even find something I haven't yet!

While we're on the subject: Daphne, is there a way to pin the outline-posts to the top of this thread?

YOU GUYS: I just took my first crack at writing the Ch. 5 flow. It's... it's over 3000 words. Six pages, single-spaced.

There's... there's a lot of stuff in here, guys.

Well shoot i was just about to comment "who cares if your save position is reset, restoring it is the work of only a few minutes once you're familiar with the routes through the game" but I guess I should rethink that!

Terrific.

Unfortunately, SMF doesn't let you sticky posts within a topic, just topics on a board.

hereno, in your experience, how many different dream sequence pictures are there (and what are they all if you would be so kind;)?

To my knowledge, there are 17.

1. Annie and Allison hugging each other (you need to demonstrate that you want Annie back)
2. Annie kneeling tranced (you need to indicate that you want to do MC)
3. Allison giving a lap dance with big breasts (Allison needs to want bigger breasts, and possibly be more exhibitionist)
4. Allison getting fucked by a stranger (Allison on a whore path)
5. Tradwife Allison in a green polka dot dress blowing you (Allison on a maid/wife path)
6. Tradwife Allison in a green polka dot dress getting fucked by Dante (Allison on a maid/wife path and also your character is into hotwifing)
7. Fucking Renee's boobs (don't get a blowjob from Renee before this)
8. Renee kneeling on a bed (this one's less clear to me; I think you need to demonstrate interest in her but don't do much MC)
9. Paula naked lying on a bed legs spread (demonstrate interest in Paula)
10. Emma on a conference table with her legs spread (focus on Emma, possibly with less MC, possibly with a thirsty/horny character)
11. THE SPACE SNAKE (I'm not 100% sure what triggers this and I don't care to find out)

PENDANT IMAGES
It used to be you could only get one of these, but that may have changed. These are your MC images, generally with a pink glowing pendant, but in some cases with other stuff. I used to know what triggered these, but this has changed with the new release.

1. Annie (you have to get an explicit commitment out of her but then reject her)
2. Paula in a wedding dress (I was never exactly sure what triggered this one)
3. Renee (I think you have to be a really thirsty/horny character who's done MC and focused on Renee)
4. Emma with your cum on her face (do MC and focus on Emma)
5. Lorelei naked and smiling at you (no actual pendant in this image; I think you have to be on a "love" aka "apron" path and focus on Lorelei)
6. Allison with an eye-exam-looking MC device in blue light (you have to do the "tell me" fantasy with her)

5. RELATIONSHIP GOALS (PART 1)
This is the biggest and most complex chapter so far, but it can be deceiving: unlike previous chapters, it’s mostly OPTIONAL scenes, with only a small handful of MANDATORY scenes. Thus, in many (most?) runs, you’ll only get the mandatory scenes, which might feel very short and possibly unexciting. But don’t worry: the optional stuff you can unlock in the right runs are incredible.

All of these scenes have lots of permutations, which amounts to a high degree of variability in what might or might not happen in this chapter. That also makes it a bit difficult to organize a flow for. I do my best below.

NOTE: Each woman has degrees of MC success and failure; it’s more complicated than just “did you MC her.” My understanding is that the more you try to focus on or MC one woman, the less you can with others. But I think the total amount of MC power you have to divvy up between them all is variable based on your run. It’s complex math! But as far as I know, you CANNOT max out the MC on ALL of the women; you’re going to have to decide who to focus on.

DARK ROOM (OPTIONAL)
An extremely rare scene, only visible in a narrow set of runs. You will wake up in the pitch dark with sleep paralysis, unable to move or speak; Allison will be muttering some MC mantras in her sleep. You’re not the one in control here; not clear who is.

There are several permutations of this scene:
•   Other people might be in the room (I’m guessing Dante (fucking Allison), Renee (MCing Allison), and Paula, your ex from the window in Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect (blowing you)). This changes the trajectory of the story, as Dante pretty clearly has control of Allison (and possibly you) going forward.
•   Allison might refer to herself as a “fuckbot” (implying there’s a chip in her brain); what she specifically says in this version depends on your run
•   Another version implies that IT’S THE SPACE SNAKE (This might be the same as the previous bullet; I'm far from certain, but potentially, the space snake and the chip in the brain are the same thing)

SLEEP SEX (OPTIONAL)
In the middle of the night, you fuck Allison. Depending on the run, this might either be just sex or a type of reinforcement of her MC programming.

BREAKFAST (MANDATORY)
You have breakfast with Allison. A couple permutations here.
•   You might have a simple conversation. If you got the sleep sex, she may or may not remember that this happened. Then you might have sex, though if you talk to her instead, she’ll tell you a little about where her headspace is at.
•   She might be up on the table, ready for sex. If you tell her you ‘don’t have time,’ she’ll tell you a little about where her headspace is at, and then you can have sex (or not) anyway.
•   She might be suspicious that you’re “doing something” (MC) to her. This is a chance for you to try to MC her! This can go in one of three ways: she stays suspicious, she gets blank-tranced, or she gets bliss-tranced.

In all cases, she will end up doing the dishes for you; what she says here is an indication as to where her headspace is at.

NOTE: The conversation with Allison is the first indication you can get that your style of MC (in certain runs) is your hypnotic cock. If you get this, it has some big ramifications for what you can do with Lorelei later.

OFFICE (MANDATORY)
Hi ho, it’s off to work you go. This is all about the texts that you get.

If you haven’t been looking at your phone in previous chapters, you’ll catch up on those earlier texts here.

If you earlier agreed to fly out to see Annie, she’ll text here.

Lorelei will always text here, but what she says depends on your run. THIS IS WHERE THE RING FROM CH. 3: THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT (in Dante and Renee’s bathroom) starts getting REALLY important.

IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE RING
•   If you saw Lorelei in Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect and you asked her to find out if Allison was having an affair, she will text you that if Allison is, it isn’t with Dante. She will not otherwise be in Ch. 5: Relationship Goals.
•   Otherwise, if you saw Lorelei in Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect, she will send you a simple text but will not otherwise be in Ch. 5: Relationship Goals.
•   If you didn’t see Lorelei in Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect, then she will ask to see you later today, and you will (basically: if you’ve never actually encountered Lorelei before, the game will force you to now)
IF YOU DO HAVE THE RING
•   If you saw Lorelei in Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect, you haven’t done any MC yourself, you’re on a full “sex-obsessed” aka “alley” run, and you asked her to find out if Allison was having an affair, Lorelei will basically beg you to fuck her. (This is Bimborelei: I’ll explain this more later on.)
•   Otherwise, she will tell you that she needs to see you urgently

No choices here regarding Lorelei: you will always agree to whatever she’s asking here.

If Allison is heavily MC’d, she will send you a mantra-style text here.

From here, you will have the chance to text any woman you have focused on in this run, including (possibly) Paula, your ex, the naked woman in the window from the end of Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect. If you don’t have the ring, you’ll just go through each of these options. BUT IF YOU DO HAVE THE RING:
•   Choosing the ring option here will cut you off from texting anyone else
•   BUT, once you’re down to two options (one text option and the ring option), you only get one more before you’re cut off!

EMMA
In some runs, Emma will then arrive and ask to get coffee with you.
•   BLUE DRESS: If in this run Emma is very into you, she will be wearing a blue dress; she might be standing or kneeling (generally, she seems to show up in runs where your character is very focused on sex; I think Blue Dress Emma is under some level of your control already, and kneeling means she’s deeply so)
•   WHITE SHIRT: If in this run Emma is not into you, she will be wearing a white shirt

CAFÉ (OPTIONAL)
If you texted Renee just now or saw Emma, you will go to the café. If both, you will always see Emma first.

BLUE DRESS EMMA
Blue Dress Emma will be open and flirty with you. She will ask to go out on a date with you.

If in this run you’re going to Dante and Renee’s party on Saturday, you can invite Emma along.

In "collar" aka "hypnotism" runs, you can MC Emma here (Ask about her project, “Deep breaths”), making her agree to put out on the first date, text a nude selfie, or, in rarer runs, make her fall in love with you.

WHITE SHIRT EMMA
Depending on the run, White Shirt Emma might be friendly or upset here (because you made an inappropriate pass at her in Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect).

In certain runs, you can just MC her immediately (these runs have to be following a “love-spell” aka “apron” path which is heavy on MC). You can make her unable to ever report you to HR, go out with you, text you a nude selfie, flash her tits at you at the office, or, in rarer runs, fall in love with you.

In "collar" aka "hypnotism" runs, you might have to lull her into trance first (ask about her boyfriend, then her project, then don’t make any reference to yourself or compliment her, then when she’s smiling, “Deep breaths”) before you MC.

In most runs, there’s no (successful) MC here. It is possible to just have a neutral conversation with her here, though the flirtier you are, the faster she’ll end the conversation.

It is possible, if she starts out friendly and not upset, to flirt with her enough to get her to agree to a date.

If you ask her out to dinner and she’s not into you, she’ll storm off in a huff and later report you to HR (unless you just used MC to prevent her from doing that).

RENEE
If you texted Renee in this chapter, she will come visit you now. There’s actually a lot in here, and I think you’ll want to carefully read the text in all these sections.

It is possible to learn here that Renee is actually a hypnotherapist! You might (in words only, and I think only if you're on a "hypnotism" path yourself) then fantasize about bringing a hypnotherapist under your control.

In certain runs, even though the image shows her in trance, Renee might actually MC you (though it’s SUPER subtle and you (as in you the player) might not notice it)! If you’re on this path, your mind may drift to Allison’s “special thing,” and you might suddenly think it would be a very bad idea to try to separate Dante from Renee.

You might learn that you’ve actually had sex with Renee in the past! What a thing to forget! (Implying that Renee MC’d you to forget…)

You might be warned about people who piss off Lorelei… sometimes, specifically being told that she turns people into frogs. (I choose to believe that The Adventures of Protag Frog & Space Snake is a forthcoming game from MCC. You travel the country together and solve crimes in matching hats.)

You might talk about Dante and Renee’s party on Saturday and what you want to do there, and what you’d like Allison to do there.

Ah, but might you MC her? In the right runs, yes, though it varies. Sometimes (generally if you did a lot of MC to Emma just now), you’ll try, but it just won’t work. Other times (I think if you're using hypnosis), you’ll get her to do one thing (you’ve got a few options here: tell you about Lorelei and Dante, tell you about Allison and Dante, show her tits in public, blow you in the bathroom, and (if you are going to the party and ask her about her limits) to make her let you fuck her ass). On other runs (I think on a “love-spell” aka “apron” path and be wearing the ring), you can get her to do several of these options.

If you do get her to blow you in the bathroom, pay careful attention to the text. Sometimes, you’ll try to program her (briefly); sometimes, you’ll use your hypnocock (if you have it!) to do so. If you’re in control, you should get an option as to where to come on her; if you’re not in control (indicating she is MCing you), you will not get this choice.

TEXT ALLISON AT WORK (MANDATORY)
You will now get a single-page (no choices) text thread with Allison. This is a big indicator of both her headspace and yours. It’s just a text exchange, but it has a lot of permutations.

If Allison is becoming your slave, you’ll get a pussy pic from her; if she’s not, you’ll get a boob pic.

5. RELATIONSHIP GOALS (PART 2)

LORELEI (OPTIONAL)
True to form, Lorelei is, once again, by far the most complex and bewildering section of the chapter and the whole game. I think Daphne has a meta-level joke here about Lorelei being an enigma to your character, but because of her incredibly complex scenes, she’s also an enigma to you the player.

This is tough to organize. I’ll give it my best. Any reference to the “ring” means the ring from Dante and Renee’s bathroom in Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect (which you only encounter on certain runs).

IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE RING
If you don’t have the ring and you didn’t meet Lorelei in Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect, this will be your intro encounter with Lorelei. You’ll chat a bit and maybe have sex.

IF YOU DO HAVE SEX
If Lorelei insists on getting Allison’s permission, you’ll text Allison here; she’ll give permission, on the condition that she can fuck Dante.

In general, if Lorelei is looking "at the audience," she's in control of herself; if she's looking at the protag, she's not in control of herself. Pay attention to what Lorelei says when she’s “on her back” (and later, on her side): it’s the most direct clue you’ll get as to what’s ‘going on’ in your run. She might say (or at least hint) that:
•   You’re the one doing the MC
•   Addictive sex with you is the cause of the MC
•   Lorelei herself is doing MC for your benefit (Allison is “being turned into your ideal woman”)
•   Lorelei herself or possibly Dante/Renee is doing MC for both your benefit and Dante’s (Allison is “being turned into your ideal woman” and someone else’s, and you have to “share”)
•   You should "just enjoy" what's going on, which you then agree to do (possibly implying she's MCing you?)
•   A nefarious “external influence” is causing the MC (i.e. IT’S THE SPACE SNAKE)

When you come, Lorelei may or may not have a kind of surprise orgasm, implying that your cum is becoming addictive (current theory here: if you're on an "apron" path with a heavy emphasis on sex, then the "spell" manifests not as something you cast but rather as magical sex/cum).

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE SEX
When you talk about Annie, Lorelei will give you an indication of what is ‘going on’ in your run. She might say (or at least hint) that:
•   You are the one MCing Annie, or attempting to (and you’ve tried it before on Lorelei (unsuccessfully, because she has her protective ring)!)
•   Annie is back to her “old self” again (after having been changed somehow to leave you)
•   If you are going to Dante and Renee’s party (because you rejected Annie), Lorelei will say that both you and Allison are “prey” for Dante and Renee
•   Annie wasn’t “acting entirely under her own volition when she left”

IF YOU DO HAVE THE RING
Boy howdy. My personal favorite stuff in the game here.

If you have the ring, Lorelei will be visibly upset and scared. She will tell you that the ‘missing’ ring is hers, that it is very important, and that she doesn’t dare visit Dante without it (strong implication here that Dante/Renee are trying to MC her, but the ring is protecting her).

PRETEND YOU DON’T HAVE THE RING…
You could pretend you don’t have the ring… even if you put it on earlier and are literally wearing it on your finger right now! Lorelei simply will not (cannot) notice it while you’re wearing it. You can just show (fake) empathy, say you’ll keep an eye out for it, and take your leave. This is the ‘neutral’ response that otherwise seems not to affect the game state at all.

…OR INSTEAD, GIVE LORELEI THE RING…
You could willingly give Lorelei the ring (you’ll run back to the office to get it if you didn’t put it on earlier). She will be VERY happy about this, and you’ll now have a talk or sex (following the “If You Don’t Have the Ring” procedure above).

But in rare runs (these have to be “love-spell” aka “apron” runs which are heavy on MC), when you give the ring back (and only if you do it right away), Lorelei will say she owes you a boon now. Holy shit guys, the BOON.
•   You could hold onto the boon for future use (you won’t use it in this chapter)
•   You could trade it in to do sex with Lorelei she normally refuses (anal, blowjob on her knees, cum on her face). This seems like a really paltry use of the boon, and she even says so. However, if you get the blowjob on her knees, she will act as your sex-slave for the duration (and then come back to normal at the end).
•   OOOOOR you can have Lorelei cast a spell on a woman of your choice. This is basically a cheat code: you absolutely max out the MC for one woman, way beyond what you can otherwise do in any other run (at least by this chapter). You only get a choice of a few of the women in any one run (whoever you’ve paid most attention to), but I can confirm that every woman can possibly show up on that list. Lorelei will never cast a spell on herself, though (obviously). Allison, specifically, has a few different ways the boon can be used on her: to turn her into your full slave (if she isn’t already), to make her exclusive to you (go away Dante!), or to give her bigger breasts (otherwise known as BOON BOOBS).

…OR INSTEAD, MC LORELEI
This? This right here guys? This is the good stuff.

In certain runs, you could attempt to MC Lorelei. Sometimes (generally if you've already done a lot of MC in this chapter), you will immediately get cold feet and back out. Otherwise, you’ll have the option to proceed or back out. If you do back out, in some runs, Lorelei remains unaware of what you just tried to do… but in some runs, she tells you she was aware of what you just tried to do, and she warns it’s a good thing you decided to stop!

If you do proceed, if you're on a "hypnotism" path, you might go through a bunch of programming option sets (after “Deep breaths”). The idea here (I think) is that your choices reflect what exactly you’re trying to do to her will (empty, drain, conquer, overwhelm, or erase). If you try to get her to call you “Master,” there are degrees of success and failure to that command (generally, the less MC you've done in this chapter, the more successful this will be).

Alternatively, if you're on a "love-spell" path, you might immediately mesmerize her (“Everything is going to be O.K.”) and thus skip any programming option sets.

Then you can get a blowjob from and/or fuck her. Huzzah!

Afterwards, you’ll make her believe that she did this with you willingly. From here, you’ve got a few options, though which ones you see depend on your run.
•   You could just back off and let it be
•   You could try to “persuade” her to restart your relationship (if she hasn’t already)
•   You could try to convince her to go to Dante and Renee’s party on Saturday, even though she doesn’t have her protective ring (she will warn that Renee is trying to hypnotize her; if you continue, you will say that Allison will protect her)
•   You could try to “change her views” and make her your cock-hungry fucktoy
•   You could try to make her fall in love with you, as in a full-on love-slave
•   You could try to enslave her outright, making her your obedient servant

Pay careful attention to the text at the end of this sequence. Usually, it will say that you “believe” you’ve emptied/drained/conquered/overwhelmed/erased her will. It will now take some time for the programming to settle. Then, her cat Gremlin will show up and either purr at you… or swipe at you!

But wait, there’s more. In rare runs, the text will simply state that you did empty/drain/conquer/overwhelm/erase her will, not “believe” that you did. This result also leads to a specific text-image combo at the end of the chapter, either of Lorelei bowing her head and calling you “Master,” or kneeling against a black background and calling you “love.”

• For "Master": If you're on a “hypnotism” path with heavy MC, then don’t do too much MC with other women in this chapter, and you might have to get either Allison or Renee to mention your hypnotic cock; then, when you are lulling Lorelei into trance, you can tell her to “kneel down” so you can “try an experiment” to dicknotize her with your hypnocock! If you're on a "love-spell" path with heavy MC, then don't do too much MC with other women in this chapter and don't make Lorelei do too many things she normally wouldn't.
  
• For "love": you have to be on a love-spell path and not do too much MC to other girls or make Lorelei do too many things she normally wouldn't

BIMBORELEI
There is a rare third option beyond “have the ring” and “don’t have the ring”: if you have the ring, have not done any MC yourself, are on a full “sex-obsessed” aka “alley” run, saw Lorelei in Ch. 3: The Butterfly Effect, and you asked her to find out if Allison is having an affair, Lorelei will basically jump you for sex and act like either a fully objectified fuckdoll or a giggly, airheaded bimbo! I have named her Bimborelei.

I think the story here is: because you asked, Lorelei went to ask Dante if he was having an affair with Allison, but she didn’t realize she didn’t have her protective ring. Dante and/or Renee thus successfully MC’d Lorelei, presumably having failed many times before because of her ring. They turn her into this.

This is fun, but be careful: at the end, Bimborelei will tell you (command you?) to do the same to Allison and Annie; I think the idea is that Dante/Renee (via Bimborelei via you) is trying to MC them both into this, too.

NOTE: Threading some of this together, I believe that each of the three original Annie images (collar, apron, alley) has a kind of “special” result with Lorelei that is hard to access. Collar = dicknosis; apron = boon; alley = Bimborelei. To access the special result, make all your decisions consistent with being (respectively) an evil hypnotist, a love-spellcaster, or a complete horndog (and make sure you get the ring!). After further exploration, I'm less convinced these special results are locked to those images.

END OF THE WORKDAY AT THE OFFICE (MANDATORY)
Back at your work desk, you’ll get some texts; you always get one from Allison (which indicates her headspace), and you might get some more depending on your run.

If you left the ring at your desk all day, you will now say that you felt like it was “unwise, even dangerous” to give it to Lorelei.

If Renee is MCing you, you will get hard reading her text (there are degrees of this: “start to,” “instantly,” etc).

If Emma is falling in love with you (either via flirting or MC), she will leave some sweet notes for you here.

If Emma is pissed off at you because you asked her out to dinner (and she’s not into you), you’ll have an email from HR! Oh no! You’ll have a meeting for Monday at 9am, which is everyone’s favorite time to have a meeting with HR. Specifically, the meeting will be with “Marianne,” who I assume will be a character in future chapters.

EMMA AT THE OFFICE (OPTIONAL)
In certain runs (generally, if you don’t do too much MC to other women in this chapter), you will approach Emma and MC her.

If you used Lorelei’s boon on Emma, she’ll be madly in love with you and profusely apologize for complaining to HR.

Otherwise, if you have an HR problem, you’ll immediately MC her to remove the complaint.

If you don’t have an HR problem, Emma will be happy to see you, but then you MC her anyway. I believe in this permutation, you also give Emma Renee’s hypnotherapy business card and order her to make an appointment. (Basically, you’re teeing Emma up to get MC’d by Renee; I think you only get this permutation if Renee is MCing you and Renee sees Emma in the cafe.)

You’ll usually have fun options here: make her send you a nude selfie or flash her tits at you.

In certain runs, you’ll be able to turn her into your love-slave.

In certain runs (do very little MC to other women in this chapter), you’ll be able to order her to give you a blowjob in the supply closet; this is where you can go in a more mind-slave (vs love-slave) direction. Plus, you get a blowjob.

LEAVING THE OFFICE (OPTIONAL)
If Emma is super into you (via flirting or MC), she will happily flash her tits at you before you leave.

If Emma isn’t super into you but you’ve MC’d her to do it, she will unhappily flash her tits at you before you leave.

TEXT AT YOUR FRONT DOOR (MANDATORY)
In all runs, this is where Ch. 5: Relationship Goals will end. On your way home, you will receive one or more texts. Who texts you, and what they say, depends on everything that’s happened previously.

If Renee is MCing you, you will get hard reading her text (there are degrees of this: “start to,” “instantly,” etc).

Thank you for this Hereno!

A couple throughout the whole story questions.

You are offered the option to finish several different ways in a number of the different sex scenes.  Has it been figured out which direction that pushes you/the woman you are with?  This is my best guess at the moment:
"On her tits" for increased exhibitionism/sharing
"On her face" for increased control/subservience
"On her stomach" maybe love slave direction?
"In her mouth" maybe increase libido?  Wild guess here.
"Inside" really not sure but some of these are on the lowest MC runs (except for Allison on the breakfast table and Renee in the restroom.)

If you are on an alley run are you doing any intentional MCing?  When I've tried that direction it seems to be everyone just being delightfully slutty.

Do we know what stats the very first choice (ignore/peek/look at phone) is pushing?  I know peek increases the difficulty of the first MC on Allison and makes her trust you less. 

What things should I be emphasising/ignoring to increase the likelihood of Emma showing up in my cube so she can meet in the cafe?  I've had runs where Lorelie talks about her during sex (so I've obviously shown sufficient interest in her) but she doesn't show up.

This is a great question, but I honestly don't know the answer. I'll update if I ever do; it's possible that it doesn't have any effect at all. (But getting a blowjob from Allison in Ch. 1: A Phone Pings definitely puts Allison on a high-libido path.)


This is my understanding as well. It's the horndog path, which will still involve MC (could be that sex with you is addictive, could be that such sluttiness opens the door to Dante/Renee MCing people, etc).


I can't say with certainty. My current guess is: "Now is not the time" = you're the controller; "Something tells you" = someone else is doing MC as well; "Sneak a peak" = you are not the controller. That's a very low-confidence guess.


I mean, if you ask Emma out to coffee without Allison, she'll pretty much always show, yes? You've also got a good shot if you tell her you're just experiencing the "usual life stress."

Amazing as always!

I'm going to break my usual rule about not commenting on the game. When you are in Dante and Renée's bathroom, and you see the ring, you have the option of taking it or not taking it. Both of these have game effects, and not taking it is not a "nothing happens" option; there are consequences.

Is this guaranteed to happen if you leave the ring in the office cubicle? Also, do you explicitly grab it again? The game for me is turning more and more into you can't assume stuff, and things that feel as important as the ring even moreso, and so I am very very cautious about letting the ring get away from my person.

Dang there is a SIZABLE amount of content I have missed despite running through a dozen-plus times.

I'm still only getting the MC scenes in the last chapter if I go the "Collar" route (not the naked apron or alley) route with Annie. Dunno how it works exactly.

And I definitely have not been able to get the "boon" situation.

Same. I'm going to have to try again.

Q1) I'm not sure I've ever gotten to a point where you ask Lorelei to investigate whether Dante is mind-controlling Allison. How do you navigate the conversation to that point? Not the sex, the dishonesty.

Q2) Re the boon, what's your basis for saying that it can max out the level of mind-control a woman has been subjected to? I haven't seen it yet, but it comes pretty dang late in the current content, right? Your interactions with the other women would be limited mostly to text messages on the last page of the current content.

Q3) even with several attempts I haven't threaded the needle to the boon, anybody got tips?

Q4) I also haven't been able to replicate the time I got Renée to hypnotize you at the coffee shop, anything?

Q5) finally I haven't managed to find the way to this Emma content where she calls HR on you, or where you hypnotize her at work (after Renée hypnotizes you?)


I'm not a smart man, I wouldn't have put together that bimbo Lorelei is the result of her asking Dante and Renée about Allison for you without the benefit of her ring. Nor did I connect the dots re the hypnotherapist who erased your memory of fucking her at your own wedding!

This... I've tried various times with the Apron path and can't seem to get it to occur, any tips?

Yup, and I really only get mind control on collar runs.

Does anyone have a set of instructions to get to the "boon' option

thanks in advance

Hereno basically lays it out.  Magic/apron run, Lorelie has to have been to see Dante before your date, take the ring from the bathroom, give it to Lorelie on one of the first couple options (you get different pictures depending on how long you wait).

ETA: There is something more than this, because i just had a try where all of those things are true and she didn't offer a boon. I did get the zoned out eyes when finishing on her rather than the smiling picture.  Definately an addictive sex run. The other time I had a boon run, I was getting more hypnodick comments.

Thanks

Potentially stupid question:  How do I get Lorelei to go over to Dante's?

So, I've figured this out and ended up with a bunch of variants of bimbo Lorelei, but no luck triggering the boon.

I'm pretty sure that I am down a "love" path (I've gotten apron pictures from Annie) and I have the ring...

Yup, there's a lot more to it than the "love" path. It's not clear what variables are involved. Also it's not clear if the "love" path is even exactly that; I have some other ideas...

Such as?

Even if you initially choose an apron/collar/alley your choices along the way can push you into other paths. When you message Annie in the current chapter you’ll get an apron/collar/alley pic which seems to indicate the path you ended up on. That’s what I’ve been using as an indicator of if I stayed my the intended path.

Even with that how much interest you show in someone seems to change the outcome so choosing to message or not message someone can affect your path, how horny they are changes it too.

At this point I’ve at least gotten most of the paths at least once except Renee MC you, her card MC Emma and still no space snake.My running theory is the polite answers lead more to the apron path and the horny answers to alley, and focusing on Lorelei helps with the apron/enchantment and focusing on Renee leads to the alley path, possibly on her MC you but I haven’t really had much luck getting the intended outcomes.

I've also been unable to trigger the Lorelei boon... which I'm unashamedly interested in using to grow Allisons boobs specifically because magic boob growth is best. Just the apron route doesn't seem to be the only trigger, is it perhaps thst I'm showing too much interest in every female? Any assistance is appreciated.

Something, later, keep this speed, stop, mouth, nothing

Guy, friend, work, yeah, I'm, what, call, can't, bed, cuddle

Can't, gf, haven't, sex, explicit, really, that, text, us, Annie, work, forgotten, what, coffee, great, open, allison, accepting, coworker, renee, lorelei, bathroom, left, yeah, fuck, opened, boobs, mention

Ignore, something, relationship, sex-slave, obey, submit, face

A boon for you all  ;)

Something tells you that you should stop and look.
This can be dealt with later.
Stop... it's time for that thing she loves.
"You will cook and serve dinner naked tomorrow."
You gently tease her legs apart to continue fucking her.
"I should deal with that text."
"Nothing important. Now, we both have big days tomorrow."
The next morning you decide to sleep in.
   
You find one that reminds you of that time with Natalia.
OK time for breakfast.
So, you head off to work.
I'm over it. What's up?
I'm so sorry! Just like that?
It's OK. What do you need?
Let me think about it.
Then you get to work; it's better to talk with Allison about this in person.
Time for other activities. The situation with Annie can wait.
... cuddle up to Allison for the night.
The next morning you wake up alone.
   
You check your phone.
I still love you, but I don't know if I can.
I'm not trying to hurt you.
I can't risk my relationship.
We haven't talked about it.
I'm not sure how'd she react to us having sex.
If I'm going to risk it, I need an explicit commitment.
I can't turn that down. I'll come.
You reply call Allison.
... head off to work.
"Wanted to remind them I work here. What are you up to?"
"She's doing great! How's... I'm sorry, I've forgotten his name."
"We should grab coffee sometime. Away from work."
"No reason to complicate things."
You say get back to work.
And then you work until it's time to head home.
You help her up, and head to dinner.
You knock.
"Excuse me for a moment." You duck to the bathroom.
So, you follow Renée into the kitchen, having taken the ring.
"How did you know about that?"
"I can't believe I'm doing it, myself."
"She's fine with me fucking Annie."
"How can I say no to that?"
You follow her back to the living room.
You ask what the conversation you walked into was.
As the evening winds down, you say your goodbyes.
You turn to point her out to Allison.
   
You head to the car.
"No! What makes you think that?"
"Is everything OK? You've been acting different lately."
say, "Well, then, roadside blowjob?"
You finish the drive home.
Excuse yourself to the bathroom.
... join Allison in the bedroom.
"I have something I want to do to you."
"Let's talk about you being my maid."
"You'd love to be my maid more often."
"We're going to fuck now."
Then say, "I want to come on your face."
... hand her a towel.
And then you dream.
And then your dream continues.
And then your dream continues.
And then your dream continues.
And then then during the night...

----THE BOON----
The next morning at breakfast...
"What a great idea, slave."
You come inside her.
... stand and collect your dishes from the table.
You head to work.
You text Renée back.
And then you slip the ring on.
... hear a familiar voice behind you.
You work until work until it's time for coffee with Emma.
"I don't know. Her life seems to have fallen apart."
"The thing with Annie has been kind of eating my life."
You reply see Renée walk into the coffee house.
"Your new breasts look amazing."
"What happened between Allison and Dante while we were in the kitchen last night?"
"You will blow me in the restroom here."
"I'd love to get together once I'm back from Annie."
"So, there's something I'd like to do."
You then let her into the restroom first, and then slip in.
And then you come on her face.
And then you update Allison.
Hang out until it is time to visit Lorelei.
So you come in, giving her a hug.
You remove the ring from your finger, and put it on the table.
"I have to ask, then: what is in your power to give?"
"So, about Renée."
"And now, would asking you to bed be inappropriate?"
You take your leave, and return to work.
You work until it's time to head home.

----MC EMMA IN THE CAFE----
The next morning at breakfast...
"What a great idea, slave."
You come inside her.
... stand and collect your dishes from the table.
You head to work.
You text Renée back.
And then you slip the ring on.
... hear a familiar voice behind you.
You work until work until it's time for coffee with Emma.
"You would never talk to HR about me, no matter what I do."
"You will go out with me."
"Next week? I should be back from Annie on Monday."
"You will send me a nude selfie tonight."
"Her new guy dumped her. By the way, how's... yours?"
"Nothing really. Is that project still stressing you out?"
You reply see Renée walk into the coffee house.
"Your new breasts look amazing."
"You will blow me in the restroom here."
"I'd love to get together once I'm back from Annie."
"Thank you for a great time in the kitchen."
"So, anything else new in your world?"
You then update Allison.
Hang out until it is time to visit Lorelei.
So you come in, giving her a hug.
You remove the ring from your finger, and put it on the table.
"I have to ask, then: what is in your power to give?"
"Did you ever meet my ex, Paula?"
"And now, would asking you to bed be inappropriate?"
You take your leave, and return to work.
You work until it's time to head home.

----MC EMMA IN THE OFFICE----
The next morning at breakfast...
"What a great idea, slave."
You come inside her.
... stand and collect your dishes from the table.
You head to work.
You text Renée back.
And then you slip the ring on.
... hear a familiar voice behind you.
You work until work until it's time for coffee with Emma.
"Her new guy dumped her. By the way, how's... yours?"
"Well then, dinner sometime?"
And then you wait for Renée.
"Kind of a problem with a coworker."
"I'm sorry we're missing the party."
"Thank you for a great time in the kitchen."
"Your new breasts look amazing."
"I'd love to get together once I'm back from Annie."
"So, anything else new in your world?"
You then update Allison.
Hang out until it is time to visit Lorelei.
So you come in, giving her a hug.
You say, "I don't remember seeing anything like that there."
You ask, "Have you asked Dante and Renée about it?"
You say, "I could ask Allison to go over and look."
You promise her that you will search for it.
You take your leave.
You work until you hear Emma come back to her cube.
“You'll tell HR it was just a misunderstanding, all settled now."
"In exactly ten minutes, you'll meet me in the supply room and give me a blowjob."
"Wonderful." You head to the supply room to wait.
"Just do what I tell you."
So you come in her mouth.
... get back to work.
You work until it's time to head home.
Invalidated by an update

Wild! Despite ample experimentation I hadn't made the connection that seems so obvious with this data, that the mysterious power to simply issue commands to Emma and to Renée in the coffee shop derives from wearing Lorelei's magic ring.

The Emma in the office path doesn't seem to work for me, at the point of "Her new guy dumped her. By the way, how's... yours?" I don't see that option.

This is the fault of 4.0.3's fixes. Note that there was a continuity error in this path:


but then:


The management apologizes for any inconvenience this may cause.

Wild! Despite ample experimentation I hadn't made the connection until you just said it!   ;D

I wonder if it recharges every day or if there's something you have to do to it. It seems to work on Emma or Renee but not both?  Possibly on Lorelei, I didn't explore whether it doesn't work on her if you've already used it at the coffee shop.


Can the management provide any information on the conundrum of how to get Emma irritated enough to report you to HR, then?

If Renee blows you in the coffeehouse, you take a picture which Allison wants to see if and only if you come on her tits.

For Emma, I think she is most likely to ask you to coffee on a high libido run.  I got to hypnotize her in the cafe today and left my notes in the other thread if that’s helpful.  It was a high libido and high dominance run where I convinced Lorelei that I had hypnotic powers at our first meeting.

OK, by way of apology:

(a) When you first talk with Emma, and she adds "Over coffee" to her exiting comment, you will likely get blue-dress Emma the next day when she asks you to coffee. Blue-dress Emma is less likely to report you to HR, although it is still possible.
(b) BSD-daemon-shirt Emma is more likely to report you to HR over you asking her out when she just told you to knock it off.

(In story-world terms, depending on your prior choices, Emma will either be friendly but not interested in you romantically, or will be sufficiently interested in you that she is willing to entertain dating you even though you have a girlfriend. It's not required to MC her to get her to go out with you in the latter case, although MC works too.)

Here is a run that should get you to MC Emma in the office in 4.0.3. (As a heads up: I won't do a run printout like this for every single request. I'm writing out a few today to help you guys explore some of the other content.)

Now is not the time.
Stop... you have something special to do to her.
"You will cook and serve dinner naked tomorrow."
You gently tease her legs apart to continue fucking her.
"I should deal with that text."
"Nothing important. Now, we both have big days tomorrow."
The next morning you decide to sleep in.
   
You find one that reminds you of that time with Natalia.
OK time for breakfast.
See what you can find on the Internet.
Then you head off to work.
Yeah, kinda still pissed. What's up?
The guy you left me for?
So, why get in touch now?
Let me think about it.
Then you get to work; it's better to talk with Allison about this in person.
Time for other activities. The situation with Annie can wait.
... cuddle up to Allison for the night.
The next morning you wake up alone.

You check your phone.
I still can't believe you're asking after what you did.
I'm listening.
And what kind of apology did you have in mind?
It sounds like you want help with more than paperwork.
If I'm going to risk it, I need an explicit commitment.
I can't turn that down. I'll come.
You reply call Allison.
... head off to work.
"Wanted to remind them I work here. What are you up to?"
"She's doing great! How's... I'm sorry, I've forgotten his name."
"We should grab coffee sometime. Away from work."
"No reason to complicate things."
You say get back to work.
And then you work until it's time to head home.
You help her up, and head to dinner.
You knock.
"Excuse me for a moment." You duck to the bathroom.
So, you follow Renée to the kitchen.
"How did you know about that?"
"I can't believe I'm doing it, myself."
"She's fine with me fucking Annie."
"How can I say no to that?"
You follow her back to the living room.
You ask what the conversation you walked into was.
As the evening winds down, you say your goodbyes.
You turn to point her out to Allison.
   
You head to the car.
"No! What makes you think that?"
"Is everything OK? You've been acting different lately."
say, "Well, then, roadside blowjob?"
You finish the drive home.
Excuse yourself to the bathroom.
... join Allison in the bedroom.
"I have something I want to do to you."
"Let's talk about you being my maid."
"You'd love to be my maid more often."
"We're going to fuck now."
Then say, "I want to come on your face."
... hand her a towel.
And then you dream.
And then your dream continues.
And then your dream continues.
And then your dream continues.
And then then during the night...
   
The next morning at breakfast...
"What do you think I'm doing to you?"
"You've been really stressed lately. You just needed a change."
"I can tell this is scary for you. Deep breaths. Relax."
"Just focus on how good it felt. Don't think about anything else."
"Then don't think. Just breath and relax."
"That's very good. Nothing but your cunt."
say, "Climb up onto the table." You pat it as you stand.
You come inside her.
... stand and collect your dishes from the table.
You head to work.
You text Annie back.
I'm not going to get you in trouble with your ex, am I?
What kind of trouble are you in?
I'll be happy to help, but you have to put out.
You text Renée back.
And then you text Allison back.
And then you hear a familiar voice behind you.
You work until work until it's time for coffee with Emma.
"I'm really not sure. Hey, do you want to do dinner sometime?
And then you wait for Renée.
"Kind of a problem with a coworker."
"I'm sorry we're missing the party."
"I'm glad you and Lorelei stayed in touch."
"So, how's work?" You realize you have no idea what she does.
"So, anything else new in your world?"
"What happened between Allison and Dante while we were in the kitchen last night?"
So you bring her out of the trance.
... update Allison.
Hang out until it is time to visit Lorelei.
So you come in, giving her a kiss on the lips.
"By the way, Renée blew me last night."
"May I entice you to bed? It's been a while."
Then you await her summons.
"Start with your mouth, perhaps?"
You undress, and climb onto the bed.
"Would you like to be on top?"
You say, "From behind?"
You say, "On your back?"
You say, "May I come on you?"
You lie down next to her.
You take your leave, and head back to work.
You work until you hear Emma come back to her cube.
"My voice is the only thing that matters."
"You are feeling so helpless and receptive."
"You need me to tell you what to do."
"You have no will. My voice controls you completely."
"You'll tell HR it was just a misunderstanding, all settled now."
"In exactly ten minutes, you'll meet me in the supply room and give me a blowjob."
"You will awaken when I leave." You head to the supply room to wait.
"Just do what I tell you."
So you come in her mouth.
... get back to work.
You work until it's time to head home.

Two things I am curious about, regarding Renee, first is when you use the boon on her, she has a specific group of texts she sends, has anyone been able to get them to occur in any other way. Second is, is her telling you about imagining the dildo she is using being your dick restricted to apron/love spell runs?

Well isn't that interesting! I've never seen that before. To work...

I probably never would've seen Loreleis boon, so thanks for the roadmap. There's so many choices that I didn't think mattered for it from the get go that do. Some day I'll see the whole picture I guess but for now I just have to understand that the boon route deviates dramatically from what I typically choose and even from what I thought was a dominant/subby run etc. Perhaps because there's so much dishonest behavior with Allison at the start and that's something I'm reluctant to do. However,  I have managed the Emma love slave and Renee fuck doll into Lorelei love slave (though the cat text at the end of that has me question if that mc actually worked) and that whole route is all kinds of fuckery with Allison. Idk, I've obviously left morality behind long ago just looking at and consuming MC erotic content but this whole game remains an enigma for me to try and continue to "solve," shall we say. The amount of choice is truly incredible.

The goal of magic boob growth IS my preffered result for Allison... as Lorelei says even choosing it, I'm very predictable.  

Maybe in some scenarios?  I just rechecked and was able to hypnotize both Emma and Renee despite leaving the ring at the office. 

We were talking about instant control of Emma (no lulling into trance, you just do it right from the first page with her in the cafe)

Ah, got it.  Something I’ve yet to find!

Trying to figure this out too still.

If you are less of a horndog generally, Emma responds less positively to your overtures, it turns out.

So I love that hereno has been posting these but I haven't seen him do one for bimbo Lorelei, if he has, lemme know and I'll delete this but here's a run where you get her as bimbo, you are openly poly, and Emma is very interested in you (blue shirt). I skipped all the one option answers.

Now is not the time
Speed up, slow down, etc. until you are done
My weird ex
Get up a bit earlier
That time with the guy
Call a friend
Head to work
I could never say no to you
I'm so sorry
What can I do
I need to talk with my GF
Call Allison
head home
bed
cuddle up
I still love you
make it up how
i have a girlfriend
I told her I havent decided
No, I think she'll be ok
Text Lorelei
I'm rushing
No. That's why I need
Wanted to remind them
She's doing great!
We should grab coffee
Of course!
Asking Allison
Things have changed
I have this feeling
Just a feeling I have
Quite the opposite
Yes. I would
Excuse me for a moment
Take the ring
How did you know?
No point
It was an opportunity
How can I say no?
Bring up your trip
Turn to point her out
She offered me a bj
Is everything ok?
Ignore it
with pleasure
say I have a question
what happened between you and Dante?
I want to come on your tits
What would you like to do
Do you have time to fuck?
text Renee
slip the ring on
I thought you might be interested
Does the no pass rule?
I don't know
Well, I have a date
You're new breasts
Purely out of
Thank you for a great
I'd love to
I'm glad you and
And congrats, you have bimbo Lorelei answering the door, you can have fun from here.

Thanks for sharing!

No problem! Happy to help.

Bimbo Lorelei's appeal is not lost on me, my "canon" runs so far I never would've discovered her. I'm learning my personal tastes are quite tame because the paths I find on my own are quite vanilla mc situations.

It just seems no matter what i try I can never get renee on the bed in my dreams. I also cant seem to get anything different in the dark room. I want to see the two scenes where paula is there, or dante and renee going down on allison. I have my paths already picked and saved so just trying to see every little thing is driving me nuts lol.

Yeah that particular sleep paralysis one with possibly Renee/Dante/paula is tricky, I’ve only gotten it once. It seems like a particularly narrow path to get that or the Renee MC you/gives you her card.

The dream sequence with Renee may be a similar narrow path, but from what I’ve read it may be that some dream sequences have a higher priority and since there is only a max of 4 it might get pushed out.

is there a way to change the comment on the hypno dick? Everytime I ever mc renee in the coffee shop or talk to allison in the morning I get the hypno dick line. Is it just the line for heavy mc route or is there other things that can come from it.

Is there a way to get the Boon on a non Annie run? Was looking at maybe spending it on Renee before the party to see how it goes. So far no luck.

avoid bj's as much as possible, and if you go for the boobjob route she'll bring that up instead when you ask "so what are your plans for tonight"

On Hereno's script for the boon, you can turn her down after "explicit commitment".  Then follow the rest closely.  Though there are several places you have to guess since they are effected by turning down Annie.  Should get offered boon for Emma, Allison and Renee.  With the choices I made, there were only two for Annie instead of three.

Finally got the sex-bot dark room scene. Now its time to figure out how to get the dark room with the other people in it. And what route will lead to it. cause alley run with no control will lead to sex-bot so either the collar or apron should give me the other dark room scene..... at least hopefully

I've discovered a boon route that's also been pretty much exclusive with Allison. I say pretty much, because as far as I've discovered getting a boon from Lorelei effectively requires you to show some interest in her at least a little bit during said boon scene and there's some poly flirting with Renee though i intentionally avoided that too. I had to tone the horniness down a notch at the start (letting your orgasm happen in tandem with Allison and I basically avoided getting too overly horny throughout, as having Allison too sexual appears to trigger going to Dante and Renees party),  but this sem-long "con" for boon boobs without having done anything against Allisons consent right up to, as far as i can tell, kissing Lorelei because you return the ring, has me unreasonably excited. If the minimum price i pay for Lorelei boons is us becoming a love triangle of sorts... well that seems great to me. There are certainly questions with this route, is this domme Lorelei route where she's masterminding and influencing both myself and Allison? Possibly. My love of goth domme girls extends far beyond caring too much about my own free will. For some reason, having a woman be the central mindcontrol figure feels significantly less creepy than having me as the player do it... despite the obviously double standard (double negative?) My brain seems to be ignoring. Perhaps because its all a fantasy,  but if the woman is in control and still choosing me I can't help but be turned on. A reflection perhaps of my real life desires.

As best as I can tell, getting the boon to flag requires the above plus the apron responses from the interactions with Annie, but you can in fact turn Annie down. This route also appears to have Allison at least moderately controlled or influenced by Dante, though i suspect whether this is true throughout remains in my control so long as I avoid the Renee content and  I make use of the boon on Allison. I could be proven wrong eventually. Experimenting and having sex with Lorelei triggered a text of asking permission from Allison where she wants blanket poly relational terms and you agree but request that only you get her ass. I suspect you can probably start to hypnotize and become more controlling of Allison in future updates but that will remains to be seen.

All this said... Allison doesn't appear to have or use any hypnotism. Those things are exclusively from the interactions with Lorelei, Dante, and Renee.

Having started from the beginning, as required, this time I failed to get here.  Is there an updated pathway?

The boon route I posted on Jan 12 should be one way there.

Terrific!

Hello all, firstly starter marriage has been great. Have loved exploring all scenarios I could find. Big thanks to Daphne and the team who worked on it. A big round of applause.

I’m posting some of my observations and hints on runs I haven’t seen posted. I won’t be giving a complete run sheet. If people are interested I hope I give you enough info for you to find the path.

1. Observation- the love spell boon path via Lorelei seems to be the only way to get Paula to respond back to your text other than a ? . I’ve tried giving the ring in MC hypno runs and I get nothing. (It’s not applicable on the good boyfriend run which I loved the ending of. )

2. Observation-for  MC hypno runs in part 5. If you follow hereno’s posted runs I think you blank trance Alison. The key identifying comments is the cunt option followed by “you pat its head”. I haven’t seen any bliss trance runs listed , but for me The bliss trance avoids the direct hypno options so avoid choosing “take a deep breath” stuff and you should get Alison saying “Um... so you have time for...?". Interestingly the blank trance run is the only option you get Alison not remembering sending you horny texts. It’s a deviation so it may have consequences down the track.

3. Hints in enslaving all 5 active lovely ladies in MC hypno runs in part 5.  By this stage Anne is already your sex slave , and Alison post Renee and Dante’s party is 99% there . Okay step 1. Either bliss or blank trance Alison.,  2 respond to the text Meet Renee for coffee, 3. If your office flirting with Emma in part 3 got a coffee catch up and not HR response, you will get standing up blue dress Emma organising a 1pm lunch date, courtesy of Allison (Thank you slave you need to be rewarded ) . 4. Only wear the ring if you want to skip responding to Anne, Alison, text Paula , it does nothing to help you and if you give it to Lorelei you don’t get a boon(as far as I’ve discovered) and if you cant enslave lorelei step 10 doesn’t happen . 5. Important note  you can’t enslave both Emma and Renee at the coffee shop you can only do 1 of them. 6. so instead you don’t try with Emma and instead flirt like crazy  lol. The key response you’re looking for is “she blushes”.  if she instead walks out returns to work step 10 below doesn’t happen. 7. Enslave Renee and go to the restrooms , if you don’t do this you don’t get hypno dick as an option with lorelei. 8. Get to lorelei and hypno her, try and be consistent with the options. When you see hypno dick click it because why not lol. 9. Enslave lorelei again pick a lane and try and stick to it. 10. Go back to the office and YES! you get an Emma hypno option.
I think most options hypnotise her, you will always get her to call Renee and book an appointment no way around that. You can make her fall in love with you pretty much the same options you have at the cafe. I don’t think the option to have sex on the first date is there but I think that’s due to continuity but I’m not sure and your turning her into your love slave  so I thinks it’s fine. Note You can’t it seem mind control her to give you a bj in the closet unlike in the not happy call HR MC run hereno posted previously.

Update- the restriction to hypno both Emma and Renee at the cafe is subject to I believe you being able to decline the blowjob in the kitchen at the dinner party. You can’t hypno both if you have the ring

dope gonna have to try this

edit: Is there something special i need to do for renee. She keeps breaking out of trance which makes it impossible to do loreli.

edit edit: never mind figured it out.... took me 3 hours but i did it

Does anyone have advice for the dark room scenes. I got that sexbot allison one a good while back but cant seem to figure out how to get the other two either being someone else in the room like herano said or the version implying the space snake. Because I am running myself crazy with doing every kind of combination for the past month and a half and having no results.

Not 100% but I think you have to visit lorelai before the dinner with Dante Renee  and comment on Alison change being very sexual. Not sure if you’re in a weird ex or it’s nothing path.

normally I go for the nothing path. And I know if you go for a heavy mc path with allison on the alley run you get the fuck bot dark room scene. But no matter what nothing has changed anything no matter what i do with the collar or ring run. I get the scene where you enforce your will during the night but not someone else being there.