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Script: Daphne • Inks: Plutonian Knight • Colors and Lettering: Octavia Moon

Mind too blown to speculate or even snark.

I was thinking wrong mother
so that who pop up back SJI-I641

That would seem logical, although Tamara had green eyes in the guest pages. Here (and in 641) she has similar eyes to The Cloud version of Echo. Which probably doesn't mean anything.

forgot to add happy that mother stop her daughter from kill herself.

daughter?

I'm just on the information we are given

But the information we are given is that she called Erin "Mom", which would suggest she's Erin's daughter rather than her mother. Unless I've misunderstood.

Plus, we've been shown in the guest pages that Erin could have a red-haired daughter (with Adrian) called Tamara. And we've reason to believe that Erin's mother is dead.

Looking back, I think this comic marks a turning point in the Erin/Zenon interaction.  After Vik's assault on Adrian in #862, Erin is distraught.  Look at her in the final panel of that comic, and in #868-869.  She's angry, grieving, devastated and apparently suicidal.  But from #871 onwards she's smiling to herself, laughing and snarking at Zenon, whispering to Aiken that she's "fine".  In #874 she looks like she's deliberately playing him for information.  Her emotional tone turned on a dime.

If we assume that the vision in #870 is Erin and Adrian's future daughter, and that Erin knows this somehow, then the change makes sense.  If the future daughter is still possible, that means Adrian is either still alive or will live again.  And knowing that is what gives Erin the confidence to banter with Zenon.  She knows that one of his fundamental assumptions is wrong.  There are forces in play that he doesn't know about or doesn't understand, and that means he can be beaten.

Based on the above, I do not think Erin is likely to willingly give herself to Zenon.  She knows that the choice he presents, him or Jakob, is a false dichotomy.

i when back to Guest page 15 and see the  red-haired daughter
the wedding ring It can be mother or daughter

"Who... who are you?"

Erin had reached puberty when her parents died (868). So why doesn't she recognise her mother?

I can say from personal experience that it is possible to not recognize someone you know very well when you encounter them in a place you think they can't be.

We've not seen either of Erin's parents at any point in the book so far.

Granted. And I've apparently blanked pretty much everyone I know at some point. Although to be fair this isn't a place anyone can't be. (I'll be very surprised if I've got that sentence right.)


Thanks for confirming that, although I'm not the one who isn't convinced...

And you may have said too much. Didn't someone put forward the theory that Erin was Jakob's daughter? If they didn't they should have.

I'm honestly not sure if you're being snarky here or not, but this seems a non sequitur. That's not Erin's mother. I mean, I'm sure there are some pretty oddball families out there, but it's pretty unusual for a mother to refer to her daughter as "mom."

It's laguna85 who initially said that:


I queried that since I wasn't sure if I was missing something or if it was just a typing error. Eventually laguna85 said that the woman could be Erin's mother or her daughter.

I'd already pointed out that she calls Erin Mom but that hadn't swung it. So I was suggesting that since 868 indicates that Erin was present when her mother was killed, and she was at least in her teens, she must know what her mother looked like. So if this woman is her mother, why doesn't Erin recognise her?

I think we can put Erin's mom to bed, and no, that isn't a double entendre.  I'm going with "daughter from the future" for now.  All the evidence we have is consistent with it and nothing cuts against it other than that she hasn't been born yet.

OK future daughter stopping mom killing her self and so the daughter can be born
so I got miss up with the text window  
I found the guest page of a future Daughter, sorry for the mix up

It's okay, man. I followed you just fine.

I confess I'm puzzled by this whole thing but I feel like I'm being cast as some kind of villain here.

laguna85 asserted that this woman was Erin's mother and so I queried it - not because I'm a mean person but because laguna has often seen things that I've missed and I thought maybe that had happened here. When I did he seemed to stand by what he was saying, so I outlined why I thought he was wrong. He didn't reply for a long time but, apparently prompted by mns_95125's post, he came back and effectively said that either one of us could be right. But that didn't seem likely.

So I posed a further question to cast doubt on that. I admit that what I ended up posting could probably have done with a little more explanation. Perhaps that's why it was misunderstood by daphne, who accused me of possibly being snarky, which I wasn't at all, and who sought to make it clear to me that I was wrong if I thought that the woman here was Erin's mother - that being the very mistake that laguna had now clearly asserted twice.

I regularly engage with laguna85 and I too followed him fine here. But what he was saying was wrong and I was simply trying to convince him of that. Obviously there is no need at all for him to apologize. If I've done anything wrong here then I do apologize, but I have to say I don't think I have.