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Title: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: Daphne on February 04, 2019, 01:01:33 am
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Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: Haight on February 05, 2019, 01:11:47 am
False alarm, I guess. Back to your regularly scheduled programming of running away from MC kink.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: Daphne on February 05, 2019, 01:39:57 am
False alarm, I guess. Back to your regularly scheduled programming of running away from MC kink.

Yes, for sure. The one thing you can conclude from reading the site is that I don't like MC.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: Haight on February 05, 2019, 09:12:21 am
False alarm, I guess. Back to your regularly scheduled programming of running away from MC kink.

Yes, for sure. The one thing you can conclude from reading the site is that I don't like MC.

XD I'm frustrated with Adrian, not you.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: mns_95125 on February 05, 2019, 09:14:59 am
Granted, this sequence is hard to follow.

I tentatively interpret it as Adrian being internally conflicted.  Part of him is the nice guy who doesn't want to take advantage of his position; part of him wants to go hog wild.  What the cloud is doing is showing him the consequences of those options for his relationship with Echo.  He can be nice and lose her completely, or he can use the Watch and own her as a slave.

As a side note, it occurred to me this morning that Echo might actually be there.  She was in the New York harem, which Julian knows about, and he's been off preparing a trap for Jakob.  What if Julian brought Echo with him to the hotel as part of the trap and she got caught up in the cloud when it hit the building?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: Daphne on February 05, 2019, 09:18:03 am
Granted, this sequence is hard to follow.

Have I mentioned recently that Mulholland Dr is my favorite movie?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: GodWilling on February 05, 2019, 11:57:38 am
What if Julian brought Echo with him to the hotel as part of the trap and she got caught up in the cloud when it hit the building?

It's unlikely Julian brought Jakob with him though.

Have I mentioned recently that Mulholland Dr is my favorite movie?

It's a shame it wasn't The Straight Story.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: mns_95125 on February 05, 2019, 01:35:35 pm
It's unlikely Julian brought Jakob with him though.

But Adrian might have brought a bit of him via the Jakobite's influence.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: lifmcs on February 05, 2019, 01:40:38 pm
Granted, this sequence is hard to follow.

Have I mentioned recently that Mulholland Dr is my favorite movie?

That explains nothing and everything.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: GodWilling on February 05, 2019, 02:20:23 pm
But Adrian might have brought a bit of him via the Jakobite's influence.

My suspicion has been that he'd be coming with Cherry. But yeah, I suppose this scene could represent Adrian's final rejection of the tits and holes thing. On the other hand, if Adrian brought Jakob then he could just as easily have brought Echo. The point (if I have one) is that if we're worrying whether Echo is really there, we should be worrying about who the two women accompanying Kanti are, and how they got here.

It's an interesting idea that this could be in some way part of Julian's plan though. Amongst many other things, I don't really understand what is supposed to have happened to Julian, or why the Vik manifestation felt the need to tell Patricia that Julian wasn't to be disturbed before it did whatever it did to her. I can only assume that was for our benefit, but why didn't it just make sure it had killed Julian in the first place? (And while I'm at it, why did real Vik try to kill Julian?)


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: GodWilling on February 05, 2019, 02:40:20 pm
Have I mentioned recently that Mulholland Dr is my favorite movie?

For what it's worth, I just remembered this...

I realised why this reminds me of Dani's nightmare - it's almost a subliminal thing. I was just thinking (as I often am) about the scallop-shaped red lights on the belltower equipment - and about the current SJI cover. And it occurred to me that the single scallop in Dani's nightmare was also red and seemed to be casting a reddish light on all that clockwork, which I hadn't thought about before. And it made me think about the red eye of the beast in this page, which kind of looks like it's lit from the inside. And that's the sum total of what I was thinking. But I'm pretty sure it was that red light in the darkness thing that triggered the association.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: laguna85 on February 05, 2019, 03:15:22 pm
I'm going back (sji-i 435) Patricia was sent to Julian with Cop gun and look like 38 special to kill him. Vikram want Julian kill for stop him from take back Amy His love of his life. (sji-i273-274). (sji-i499)
Julian had fun with Patricia Just guesting
Somehow we loss Vikram to the blood monster (sji-i508)
somehow Erin blood monster in her dream warned her to save harm sister to get out (sji-i512)

I have headache
only one have cure is Daphne and she not tell and we need read on.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: laguna85 on February 05, 2019, 03:23:39 pm
My think is that Echo and two lady with Kanti Puntambekar are part of there mind. so not there real life.
Please Daphne this is Kanti Puntambekar in sji-i810 and she is a newspaper reporter?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: macavity on February 05, 2019, 03:48:28 pm

Have I mentioned recently that Mulholland Dr is my favorite movie?

That's scary. I always thought that people had Mulholland Drive videos like they had A Brief History Of Time book - to impress but not understand and certainly not to enjoy.

I shall continue with my strategy of collecting epsiodes until one of the story arcs reaches a resolution, or at least a hiatus, and then try to understand it.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: Daphne on February 05, 2019, 04:06:50 pm
I always thought that people had Mulholland Drive videos like they had A Brief History Of Time book - to impress but not understand and certainly not to enjoy.

I just got the Criterion Collection BluRay. It rocks.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: mns_95125 on February 05, 2019, 10:38:53 pm
(And while I'm at it, why did real Vik try to kill Julian?)

Julian seems to have recovered a few of Vik's victims in #503... perhaps revenge?


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: GodWilling on February 07, 2019, 06:39:13 pm
Julian seems to have recovered a few of Vik's victims in #503... perhaps revenge?

But the murder attempt by RealVik was in 434...?

The reason I ask the question is that I think there has to be a significant relationship between Vik and Julian. Some of this covers the same ground as laguna85's post.

Using a rifle with a scope, Julian shot a gun out of Vik's hand in 273, thereby allowing Adrian to get Amy and Hayley away. This is the first we see of there being any kind of connection between Vik and Julian. And if this is the first time they've encountered each other then surely we can't believe that Vik somehow knows who Julian is by the end of it.

By 434 I don't think we've seen any signs that the two have come to know each other any better, have we? But that's when Vik apparently attempts to kill Julian by using Pink Clouds on Patricia to get her to shoot him. And this is a planned attack, because Vik has already primed Patricia before Julian even checks in. Vik expected Julian to come to the motel - that motel.

In 492 Vik sells Kanti, Katie, and Alex to someone. In 499 he picks up Laura and Amy and the implication at the bottom of that page is that he intends to sell them to the same person.

In 505 both Kanti and Alex imply that the someone in 492 was Julian. (I suppose they could be unreliable witnesses however, if Julian wanted them to say that.)

In 507 though, when Vik meets his apparent demise, he's on the phone selling Laura to someone who probably isn't Julian. Presumably he's going to keep Amy. So who is getting Laura? Someone with an interest in her, or someone with an interest in Pink Clouds?


I think that the implication of all of the above has to be that Julian has been involved with Vik's Pink Clouds project from the beginning. Which almost certainly means it was a project. In 273 Vik realises that Julian has betrayed him and that's why he tries to murder him, whilst laying the blame elsewhere. But it appears as though he still subsequently sells the women to Julian.

Plus there's the ring that Vik gave to Amy, which turns out to be some kind of Kuppler device.

Why is all of this important?

In 314 Rain stops Marliese using the antidote on Alex and Katie: "Something very important has begun. We need to find Vikram Puntambekar, and they are going to lead us to him." But the blood monster - Cherry's blood monster; Julian's Cherry's blood monster - gets him first. And it brings him back to the motel as part of The Cloud. Which possibly makes all of this relevant.

And for what it's worth... his sister Kanti is (probably) in there too. And if sample #49 was part of a project, then it would seem that Vik knowingly gave a sample of Pink Clouds to her. And I'd say an implication of 091 is that Vik used Pink Clouds on her to get her to give that sample to Q, because it would seem that she didn't normally do that. While the intention would probably have been to frame Q, it's pretty obvious what Q would have to do to prove that it really was Pink Clouds. So it's possible that's Vik's respect for Kanti was probably already fairly low when the story began.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: laguna85 on February 08, 2019, 06:21:22 am
This is my guest (sji-i411) and (sji-i 464 ) owner Van winkle may found out that Laura is real one who can make the pink clouds and Vik try sell her on phone in (sji-i507)

we get w history about the red shell and the watch  (sji-i359- 362) and  machine unit (sji-i337,339,342,353357) that lady go wild with sex.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary #811: “The Options”
Post by: GodWilling on February 09, 2019, 03:56:05 am
This is my guest (sji-i411) and (sji-i 464 ) owner Vanwinkle may found out that Laura is real one who can make the pink clouds and Vik try sell her on phone in (sji-i507)

I'm inclined to agree. But the possible Van Winkle man (he looked a lot like Sawyer) was, after all, on the phone to someone else. And I still feel like Yves is involved here somewhere.

Also, if Julian was involved in the new variant Pink Clouds project, was it he who broke into the lab and photo'd the research notes, or someone else?