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Title: The Tarot
Post by: ozymandias on August 18, 2016, 06:27:52 pm
Here's what I have so far. Maybe you guys could help with fleshing this out: by issue:

1: (no idea)
2: the Chariot
3: Wheel of Fortune
4: The Moon
5: 7 of cups
6: 9 of swords
7: 5 of wands
8: 8 of swords
9: The World
10: the High Priestess? (missing tapestry, pomegranates, solar cross, torah, moon, palm, planet) The Empress? (missing patterned robe and pomegranates, luxurious throne, venus on the throne, forest and stream, harvest details) Ace of Swords?
11: 7 of wands
12: ace of wands?
13: ace of wands? The Hierophant?
14: The Magician
15: 9 of pentacles
16: 3 of pentacles
17: 5 of swords


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: Dr. White on August 19, 2016, 05:18:46 am
Here's what I have so far. Maybe you guys could help with fleshing this out: by issue:

1: (no idea)
2: the Chariot
3: Wheel of Fortune
4: The Moon
5: 7 of cups
6: 9 of swords
7: 5 of wands
8: 8 of swords
9: The World
10: the High Priestess? (missing tapestry, pomegranates, solar cross, torah, moon, palm, planet) The Empress? (missing patterned robe and pomegranates, luxurious throne, venus on the throne, forest and stream, harvest details) Ace of Swords?
11: 7 of wands
12: ace of wands?
13: ace of wands? The Hierophant?
14: The Magician
15: 9 of pentacles
16: 3 of pentacles
17: 5 of swords

1: The Devil
10:Queen of Swords
12:Six of Swords
13:The Hierophant

But, what do they MEAN? :D


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: ozymandias on August 23, 2016, 02:03:31 pm
1: The Devil

...or The Lovers.

10:Queen of Swords
13:The Hierophant

okay, I'll buy that.

12:Six of Swords

are you looking at the same cover I'm looking at?


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: ozymandias on August 23, 2016, 02:14:29 pm
But, what do they MEAN? :D

Well, let's just look at the latest issue, with the 5 of Swords cover.  Here's a couple of interpretations of the card from the web:

Quote
In the Five of Swords, a young man, with a look of contempt on his face, stares at his conquered enemies. He possesses five swords, most of which he has taken from the other people in the card. The other two figures walk away from him slowly, with a sense of sadness and loss. The sky is cloudy and tumultuous, indicating that not all is well despite the battle being seemingly over.
  --  https://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-card-meanings/minor-arcana/suit-of-swords/five-of-swords/

Quote
The Five of Swords is about self-interest. Society tells us to think of others, yet we resist. How we can ignore our own concerns and still survive? This dilemma comes from our definition of self. If we view our self as our personality/body, our interests become those that relate to that self. Do I have enough to eat? Am I happy? Do I have all I want?

We may expand our concern to those we love, but, then, how can we stop there? We are connected to everyone in the long run. In truth, our self is the world. What we do to that world, we do to ourselves. This understanding is so basic, but so infuriatingly easy to forget day-to-day.

In readings, the Five of Swords can mean that you or someone else is forgetting this larger view of self. You are defining your interests too narrowly. If you try to get ahead in isolation, your actions will come back to haunt you later, one way or the other.

Sometimes this card implies a need to put your own interests first. If you are being abused or taken advantage of, you must get free. If you are worn out by demands, take care of yourself. If it is your turn, step forward and claim your due. Just be aware that if you hurt others in the process, your victory will not feel complete.

The Five of Swords also represents hostility - from a cross word to warfare. When the cords that bind us are broken, we experience dis-cord. This card can signify dishonors that are fairly open. Cheats, lies, tricks, deceits, even crimes. You may be on the receiving end, or be the perpetrator. Either way, hold to a larger view of who you are. Find the solution that is best for everyone...including yourself.
  -- http://www.learntarot.com/s5.htm

So... seems to me like that pretty much describes the state of the world for this issue, at least.


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: ozymandias on August 23, 2016, 10:30:02 pm
12:Six of Swords
are you looking at the same cover I'm looking at?

Well, okay... based on the boat and the camera angle.


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: Dr. White on August 28, 2016, 05:57:38 am
12:Six of Swords
are you looking at the same cover I'm looking at?

Well, okay... based on the boat and the camera angle.
Yeah, its a little odd that there aren't actually any, you know, swords...


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: Dr. White on August 28, 2016, 06:00:13 am

No chains on the Lovers.  ;D


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: Dr. White on September 20, 2018, 09:20:06 pm
18: Six of Wands
19: Six of Pentacles
20: The Lovers ;)


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: ozymandias on October 02, 2018, 05:44:39 pm
So:

1: The Devil
2: the Chariot
3: Wheel of Fortune
4: The Moon
5: 7 of cups
6: 9 of swords
7: 5 of wands
8: 8 of swords
9: The World
10: Queen of Swords
11: 7 of wands
12: Six of Swords
13: The Hierophant
14: The Magician
15: 9 of pentacles
16: 3 of pentacles
17: 5 of swords
18: Six of Wands (nice horse)
19: Six of Pentacles
20: The Lovers


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: hereno on October 02, 2018, 07:16:04 pm
So:

1: The Devil
2: the Chariot
3: Wheel of Fortune
4: The Moon
5: 7 of cups
6: 9 of swords
7: 5 of wands
8: 8 of swords
9: The World
10: Queen of Swords
11: 7 of wands
12: Six of Swords
13: The Hierophant
14: The Magician
15: 9 of pentacles
16: 3 of pentacles
17: 5 of swords
18: Six of Wands (nice horse)
19: Six of Pentacles
20: The Lovers

13 is the King of Wands, not the Hierophant

18 is my favorite by far


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: hereno on October 02, 2018, 07:16:57 pm

18 is my favorite by far


Also probably my favorite issue. A man in his element.


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: Dr. White on October 04, 2018, 08:24:36 am

13 is the King of Wands, not the Hierophant


The King of Wands does not have anyone with him. The Hierophant has a couple of monks(?) at his feet.


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: hereno on October 04, 2018, 10:13:06 am

13 is the King of Wands, not the Hierophant


The King of Wands does not have anyone with him. The Hierophant has a couple of monks(?) at his feet.

Right, but look at the angle of the throne and the style of the wand he's holding. That's the King of Wands. They threw in some naked ladies at his feet because how else would you put naked ladies into the King of Wands art?


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: Haight on October 04, 2018, 11:09:51 pm
Dammit. Every time I see this I hope a new issue is announced.


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: lifmcs on October 04, 2018, 11:38:40 pm
Good news, everyone! There is to be a new issue of The Hidden Knowledge.

...at some point in the future.

......probably.


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: ozymandias on October 08, 2018, 10:52:05 am
13 is the King of Wands, not the Hierophant

The King of Wands holds a blossoming wand in his hand, representing life and creativity. His throne and cape are decorated with the lion and the salamander, symbols of fire and strength. The salamanders biting their own tails represent infinity and the ongoing drive to move forward against all obstacles. His robe is bright orange like a flame, and his crown has the shape of tongues of fire.

The Hierophant is a religious figure sitting between two pillars of a sacred temple – though this temple is different to the one in which the High Priestess sits. He wears three robes – red, blue and white – and a three-tiered crown, both representing the three worlds over which he rules (the conscious, sub-conscious and super-conscious). In his left hand, he holds the Papal Cross, a triple sceptre that signifies his religious status. His right hand is raised in the position of a religious blessing, with two fingers pointing towards Heaven and two pointing down towards Earth.

I'm inclined to think that 13 could be either of those, as the cover doesn't match either.  The way this will be resolved is when a future cover clearly has elements making it one or the other, leaving the alternative to 13. I am currently using the Hierophant, because monks, but there is no mention of these in the actual card requirements, nor are other details Hereno cites mentioned in the requirements for the King of Wands.


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: Dr. White on September 07, 2021, 02:14:48 pm
Okay, so now we have...

1: The Devil
2: The Chariot
3: Wheel of Fortune
4: The Moon
5: 7 of cups
6: 9 of swords
7: 5 of wands
8: 8 of swords
9: The World
10: Queen of Swords
11: 7 of Wands
12: 6 of Swords
13: The Hierophant
14: The Magician
15: 9 of Pentacles
16: 3 of Pentacles
17: 5 of swords
18: 6 of Wands
19: 6 of Pentacles
20: The Lovers
21: 9 of Cups
22: 5 of Wands? (it doesn't look like the five it looks like the six again but only has five 'wands')
23: 7 of Swords


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: hereno on September 07, 2021, 02:53:28 pm
Preeeetty sure #22 was meant to be another Six of Wands. Five of Wands is about discord, which that cover doesn't show; Six of Wands is about triumph, which the cover does represent, using the iconography of a Six of Wands. You're right that there are only five actual wands visible, though, but I'll chalk that up to an oversight.

I still think #13 is the King of Wands.


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: Dr. White on September 08, 2021, 02:45:29 am
I'm okay with this...

1: The Devil
2: The Chariot
3: Wheel of Fortune
4: The Moon
5: 7 of cups
6: 9 of swords
7: 5 of wands
8: 8 of swords
9: The World
10: Queen of Swords
11: 7 of Wands
12: 6 of Swords
13: King of Wands
14: The Magician
15: 9 of Pentacles
16: 3 of Pentacles
17: 5 of swords
18: 6 of Wands
19: 6 of Pentacles
20: The Lovers
21: 9 of Cups
22: 6 of Wands (again?)
23: 7 of Swords


Title: Re: The Tarot
Post by: elenchos on September 08, 2021, 03:51:25 am
Preeeetty sure #22 was meant to be another Six of Wands. Five of Wands is about discord, which that cover doesn't show; Six of Wands is about triumph, which the cover does represent, using the iconography of a Six of Wands. You're right that there are only five actual wands visible, though, but I'll chalk that up to an oversight.

I still think #13 is the King of Wands.

Agreed on both points.