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Title: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: Daphne on August 06, 2015, 08:55:59 pm
(http://cnt1.dvvent.com/dvv/open/mcc/sji/promos/sji-i426.jpg)


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: laguna85 on August 06, 2015, 10:24:26 pm
it's small world after all with love and sex


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: jmundt29 on August 06, 2015, 10:30:21 pm
So, Jacqui and Laura again?  Jacqui and Reka by happenstance?  Or comfort for Pearl in the arms of Reka after an awful revelation?  Or is it Pearl and Laura?  Hmm.  We shall soon see.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: Haight on August 06, 2015, 10:35:20 pm
Is this Jacqui and Adrian's mom in a flashback?

EDIT: It is. And I think Jacqui's done that face in the last panel before.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: Tony on August 07, 2015, 10:49:02 am
That's Pearl/Miriam, not Jacqui.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: GodWilling on August 07, 2015, 11:00:41 am
That's Pearl/Miriam, not Jacqui.

I think he means we've seen Jacqui pull that same face. Like mother, like daughter.

If Patrick was as poor as dirt, does that mean he followed the path to the first future outcome for Adrian? OK, probably not.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: Haight on August 07, 2015, 12:48:17 pm
That's Pearl/Miriam, not Jacqui.

I think he means we've seen Jacqui pull that same face. Like mother, like daughter.

If Patrick was as poor as dirt, does that mean he followed the path to the first future outcome for Adrian? OK, probably not.

Yeah, I think after the incident at Sawyer's when Adrian mentions that he thinks Jacqui knows more than she's telling on, she makes the same face. Anyway...


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: jmundt29 on August 07, 2015, 04:08:20 pm
Is the "poor as dirt" statement actually true?  Because she somehow convinced Cantor that she'd approached the biological father and he was unwilling to deal with the situation.  And that wasn't true.

I can see them being comfortable just above the poverty line--living in a small apartment in a college town, setting up gigs, mostly living off love and fun.  But the young lawyer was out hustling for clients on the mid-level concert circuit.  So, he wasn't "well off" yet either.  Did he just provide the firmer possibility of security?  Exactly how long did he and Jacqui try to make it work before they split?  Hmm, more yet to be revealed, it would seem.  Although the key point was just opened, and Pearl is understandably uncomfortable.  At least she knows that neither Adrian nor Erin purposely manipulated her into...I Dani did some manipulating, but not with that last layer of expressed purpose.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: GodWilling on August 07, 2015, 04:38:47 pm
For all we know, Dani may have conditioned her to keep wanting to have sex with Adrian...


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: Technophyle on August 08, 2015, 12:47:07 pm
But the young lawyer was out hustling for clients on the mid-level concert circuit.  So, he wasn't "well off" yet either.  Did he just provide the firmer possibility of security?

Given the choice between some musicians and a lawyer, even one just starting out, the odds are for the latter when it comes to economic security.

The other thing is the personalities involved: the musicians might have lived a lifestyle that might have been fun, but questionable when it came to raising her daughter. A slightly more conservative (in the lifestyle sense) lawyer might have seemed the better choice. And remember that Jacqui was herself not nearly as mature as she eventually became, so she probably wouldn't be thinking about things as deeply. Lawyer = responsible might have been as far as she was thinking.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: jmundt29 on August 08, 2015, 08:35:33 pm
In some ways yes, in some ways no.  Cantor was still hustling after a client base in the small touring circuit.  Unless he was the scion of already successful and established lawyers, he could just as easily have ended up an "ambulance chaser."  And that wouldn't have been a stable or secure environment either.  Of course, he is part of a firm with his last name as named partner.  Either he worked his way up, some relative helped found the firm, or both.

Plus, Jacqui has admitted that she had a fantasy of living with the Cavanaughs and raising kids together.  Perhaps her pragmatic self won out there, or Rain intervened when she was trying to work up the nerve to tell Patrick.  Now THAT could definitely be something about which Jacqui could hold a grudge.  ;)


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: GodWilling on August 09, 2015, 03:07:38 am
Jacqui didn't say it was a fantasy. Her understanding of her position with Patrick and Miel may simply have improved.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: Technophyle on August 09, 2015, 03:49:54 pm
In some ways yes, in some ways no.  Cantor was still hustling after a client base in the small touring circuit.  Unless he was the scion of already successful and established lawyers, he could just as easily have ended up an "ambulance chaser."  And that wouldn't have been a stable or secure environment either. 

That's why I said it might simply have been what Jacqui was thinking, not that it was necessarily true. She was, what, 19 or 20 years old? Sure, there are a lot of mature 20 year olds, but also a lot of really immature ones who don't think that far ahead.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: GodWilling on August 10, 2015, 11:11:13 am
In the absence of any evidence whatsoever to the contrary:

Patrick and Miel were poor as dirt and had a baby of their own on the way. Jacqui didn't even tell them she was pregnant. Zenon was... interested in Jacqui. Regardless of the quality of Jacqui's judgement back then, hindsight would suggest that Zenon was in fact a good bet financially speaking. Plus, so far, he's coming across as a good guy.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: jmundt29 on August 10, 2015, 02:03:46 pm
Zenon? ??? 

What is Mr. Kantor's first name?  I keep forgetting it.  Ezra.

I was cycling through priest and prophet names, but I might have gotten to Aaron to Zadock and back before landing on Ezra with any real conviction.

Did she know they had a baby of their own on the way when she split?  We know Pearl and Adrian are roughly the same age.  I'm not positive who was born first or how far apart the split is.

There's no indication that Pat and Miel were wealthy, but they seemed perfectly comfortable and their clothes weren't 70s holdovers or anything.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: Daphne on August 10, 2015, 02:09:49 pm
Ezra.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: GodWilling on August 11, 2015, 11:03:52 am
Zenon? ???

Tired. First two letters right (but not necessarily in the right order, etc.). Just think of him Pound-ing his desk in frustration with Jacqui. This will work. Unless you're tired.


As I say, in the absence of any evidence whatsoever to the contrary, we have no reason to disbelieve what Jacqui has said because we can construct a plausible scenario that is consistent with what she has said. Some things she's said in the past haven't been entirely honest but that doesn't mean we should just disbelieve everything she says, or choose to disbelieve the odd statement at random.

She's telling her daughter who her real father is. Pearl knows Pat's son. Any lie Jacqui tells her could conceivably be contradicted almost immediately. It would be dangerous to lie.


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: jmundt29 on August 14, 2015, 04:12:58 pm
Well...maybe.  I mean, how much does Adrian really know about his parents' circumstances before he was born.  I suppose he could whip out the cell phone and just ask if something Pearl tells him (about what Jacqui told her) seems off to him.  But...ah, he doesn't seem all that close to his parents.  That Skype conversation seems to be the first time he's tried to contact them since he moved to Kearsage.

Otherwise, he might have heard a few things about Jacqui when he let them know that he was working for her at "Deep Black Vinyl."  In fact, both of them might have had a lot of things to say after they found out he moved to Wilmot.  We'll see if he tries to communicate with them more frequently now.

Note--Pat and Miel don't seem distant or adversarial, just sort of...disengaged.  Is this a factor of the nature of their relationship to one another? ???


Title: Re: Saint James Infirmary 426: Small World
Post by: GodWilling on August 15, 2015, 11:37:56 am
Neither you nor I know how much Adrian knows about that. I don't think it's important though, since I see no reason to assume Jacqui knows either.